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Re: Company culture

KungFuCoder9-Feb-09 0:32

KungFuCoder

9-Feb-09 0:32

It does mean you get everyone programming to the "lowest common denominator" but yes I'd agree with that.

I think there's a fair argument though for educating the less able staff rather than restricting those with more experience.
Using the best techniques gives a better result.
Educating your staff to give them these options just seems sensible.

My opinion anyway (but not necessarily my employers opinion though, still working on that one)

better question

deostroll8-Feb-09 20:01

deostroll

8-Feb-09 20:01

i think a better question would be, what technology are we being better paid for...?

SQL Server
ASP.net
PHP

I am not aware of that much technologies...!

What Ever It Takes

Rick York8-Feb-09 19:46

Rick York

8-Feb-09 19:46

That statement reminds of a trivia question : what movie does the line, "220, 221, what ever it takes" used in ?

Bonus points for knowing who said it. Cool | :cool:

Re: What Ever It Takes

BartonProfitt8-Feb-09 20:11

BartonProfitt

8-Feb-09 20:11

Jack Butler in Mr. Mom(1983)

Re: What Ever It Takes

destynova9-Feb-09 1:37

destynova

9-Feb-09 1:37

I wonder why that post deserved a single vote of 1 out of 5...?

But the one that would put me on the street tomorrow if i forgot how to use it..

Shog⁹8-Feb-09 19:41

Shog⁹

8-Feb-09 19:41

...C++.

C# is a great tool for the odd utility program or web back-end. I use JavaScript and HTML for a few UIs. But the vast bulk of the code i write for work is written in C++. Tomorrow morning, that's what i'll be writing. Day after that, ditto. Every day for the foreseeable future, the same. It's nice to have other tools, but for better or worse it's C++ that puts the bread on my table.

Re: But the one that would put me on the street tomorrow if i forgot how to use it..

Mustafa Ismail Mustafa8-Feb-09 20:41

Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

8-Feb-09 20:41

It used to be the case here as well, but the last 10 years or so there's been a massive paradigm shift to Java and more recently to VB.NET. There are some holdouts but that's what they are, hold outs.

I'm worried about tomorrow in my case, I've been delving in C#/Java for some time now, simple tasks in C++ are becoming onerous.

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Re: But the one that would put me on the street tomorrow if i forgot how to use it..

El Corazon9-Feb-09 3:22

El Corazon

9-Feb-09 3:22

I make 150k in 2008 from C++, and about 25k from C#.

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Re: But the one that would put me on the street tomorrow if i forgot how to use it..

Nemanja Trifunovic9-Feb-09 3:50

Nemanja Trifunovic

9-Feb-09 3:50

Shog9 wrote:
C# is a great tool for the odd utility program or web back-end.

I would say .NET is a great tool for the odd utility program or web back-end, but prefer using a less PITA language for that, like IronPython or IronScheme, or F# - heck even VB is better.

For "real" work - I agree. C++ is (unfortunatelly?) the only real choice out there.

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Re: But the one that would put me on the street tomorrow if i forgot how to use it..

JasonPSage9-Feb-09 14:25

JasonPSage

9-Feb-09 14:25

I'd add freepascal on that list for "Real work" - Any OS, tons of chip sets - and I do love C++ - but without a bunch of fanfair - I can write a web server in WinXP and compile it to true EXE assembly code etc like C++ .. but take the same source code unchanged and do the same on Mac, iPhone, Linux, etc. Yeah its a pin writing headers for things (cuz they are all C++) But... It's powerful.

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Re: But the one that would put me on the street tomorrow if i forgot how to use it..

Rob Philpott9-Feb-09 5:24

Rob Philpott

9-Feb-09 5:24

Shog9 wrote:
C# is a great tool for the odd utility program or web back-end.

A little unfair to the language surely? Most of my career has been C++ but it's C# these days. It's a beautiful language.

I gave up the traditional preconceptions that .NET is slow (MSIL + JIT, verifiable code etc. etc.) years ago - it isn't. I've changed languages but the projects I work on are just the same - large enterprise solutions and .NET handles it all perfectly well and performantly.

Regards,
Rob Philpott.

Re: But the one that would put me on the street tomorrow if i forgot how to use it..

Shog⁹9-Feb-09 5:30

Shog⁹

9-Feb-09 5:30

Rob Philpott wrote:
A little unfair to the language surely?

Not at all. I like it. I enjoy using it more than i do C++, to be honest.

But it doesn't pay my bills. The software i work on relies on a plethora of legacy and 3rd-party calculation engines, written in everything from Fortran and Cobol to VB and Delphi. And generally written by programmers who aren't very good about cleaning up after themselves. C++ makes it possible for the system to remain stable. The newest engines are showing up now as .NET assemblies - no worries, C++/CLI bridges the gap.

C++ is far from being my favorite language. But that's not the nature of this poll.

Re: But the one that would put me on the street tomorrow if i forgot how to use it..

Rob Philpott9-Feb-09 5:48

Rob Philpott

9-Feb-09 5:48

Fair dos, sorry for the misunderstanding.

I thought you meant C# was really only for noddy tasks.

Regards,
Rob Philpott.

FORTRAN?

MohammadAmiry8-Feb-09 19:17

MohammadAmiry

8-Feb-09 19:17

It was good to mention FORTRAN too!!!

My company (like many other companies) is using FORTRAN for many years for its high speed!!

Re: FORTRAN?

Vasudevan Deepak Kumar10-Feb-09 2:56

Vasudevan Deepak Kumar

10-Feb-09 2:56

I have used Fortran 77 during my college days.

MohammadAmiry wrote:
for its high speed!!

I am not sure. But the compilation process is really slow right?

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radioman.lt8-Feb-09 18:41

radioman.lt

8-Feb-09 18:41

it doesn't matter its hobby project or comercial, language is the same Wink | ;)

peace & serenity

Re: ;}

Member 968-Feb-09 19:16

Member 96

8-Feb-09 19:16

Of course it matters it's the whole point of this survey. Lot's of people "mess around" with all manner of languages, I'm curious to see which ones are actually paying the bills.

I could claim dozens of languages if asked which ones I've used, that's not the point though.

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Re: ;}

Reelix8-Feb-09 19:20

Reelix

8-Feb-09 19:20

I code C# at home for fun, but at work I mix between C#, HTML, VBScript, and Javascript Smile | :)

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Option	Votes	%
VB (VB6, VB.NET, VBScript...)	726	27.72
C / C++	880	33.60
C#	1,689	64.49
F#	10	0.38
Java	275	10.50
Javascript / HTML / CSS	621	23.71
Perl, Python	88	3.36
Ruby	22	0.84
SQL	1,001	38.22
Other	274	10.46
Responses	2,619
Respondents were allowed to choose more than one answer; totals may not add up to 100%

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