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Re: Sad George23-Sep-02 0:26 George 23-Sep-02 0:26  Christian Graus wrote: Very sad that 46 chose MFC, and 9 chose STL to date. However most of "text answers" contains STL. I C++, therefore I am... Re: Sad Fazlul Kabir23-Sep-02 0:36 Fazlul Kabir 23-Sep-02 0:36  Christian Graus wrote: Very sad that 46 chose MFC, and 9 chose STL to date. Christian, that does not mean that MFC users don't use STL or they dislike STL. IMHO, MFC and STL are complimentary and not contradictory. STL has a great collection of container classes and can be easily used from MFC. On the other hand, MFC provides a great Windowing framework that STL does not, at least officially. My $0.02 // Fazlul Get RadVC today! Play RAD in VC++ http://www.capitolsoft.com Re: Sad Michael P Butler23-Sep-02 0:44 Michael P Butler 23-Sep-02 0:44  I could only choose one and MFC is the one that I use most often. Even though I use STL for all my collection classes and strings, I still use MFC more. Like you said below, this should have been a check-box question rather than a radio button. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again. Re: Sad Brian Delahunty23-Sep-02 3:46 Brian Delahunty 23-Sep-02 3:46  Michael P Butler wrote: I could only choose one and MFC is the one that I use most often. Even though I use STL for all my collection classes and strings, I still use MFC more. Huh... I could choose multiple answers. Regards, Brian Dela Re: Sad Michael P Butler23-Sep-02 11:40 Michael P Butler 23-Sep-02 11:40  Brian Delahunty wrote: Huh... I could choose multiple answers. You need to get up earlier. First thing this morning, this poll was radio buttons not check boxes. I guess Chris has fixed it since. Sadly I can't vote again. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again. Re: Sad Shog923-Sep-02 12:46 Shog9 23-Sep-02 12:46  Michael P Butler wrote: Sadly I can't vote again. No worries. I'll vote for STL twice to make up for you. Shog9 ------ If you really what to get shitfacde tell a crowded bar that is is yourt borthday and hife your wallet. you ka will many more friends. - David Wulff, Brithday selebrations, 9/19/02 Re: Sad Brian Delahunty23-Sep-02 23:15 Brian Delahunty 23-Sep-02 23:15  Michael P Butler wrote: You need to get up earlier Ah.. must have been the time difference .. eh hem.. Regards, Brian Dela Re: Sad Navin23-Sep-02 3:11 Navin 23-Sep-02 3:11  Christian Graus wrote: Very sad that 46 chose MFC, and 9 chose STL to date. Yep, and I'm sure it's becuase of CString. I do have to admit, CString is much easier to use than string and wstring. That's why I use the CStdString class that somebody here was kind enough to post. "Time spent with cats is never wasted." - Colette Re: Sad Jon Sagara23-Sep-02 5:50 Jon Sagara 23-Sep-02 5:50  I chose both. Jon Sagara Damnit Jim! What's up with that ? Christian Graus22-Sep-02 18:10 Christian Graus 22-Sep-02 18:10  Am I supposed to only be able to choose one ? I use ATL, and the .NET libraries as well, but STL was the only choice I could make if I was limited to one Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002 Re: What's up with that ? Michael Dunn22-Sep-02 19:33 Michael Dunn 22-Sep-02 19:33  I was thinking the same thing - this should be a Check Box Poll, not a Radio Button Poll. Maybe a certain site admin had too much to drink? --Mike-- Just released - RightClick-Encrypt v1.4 - Adds fast & easy file encryption to Explorer My really out-of-date homepage Sonork-100.19012 Acid_Helm Re: What's up with that ? Mauricio Ritter23-Sep-02 1:29 Mauricio Ritter 23-Sep-02 1:29  agreed Mauricio Ritter - Brazil Sonorking now: 100.13560 MRitter I've gone sending to outer space, to find another race Re: What's up with that ? Eddie Velasquez23-Sep-02 2:57 Eddie Velasquez 23-Sep-02 2:57  Agreed <no text="" here="" due="" to="" lack="" of="" poignant="" signature=""> Re: What's up with that ? Brian Delahunty23-Sep-02 3:47 Brian Delahunty 23-Sep-02 3:47  Michael Dunn wrote: Maybe a certain site admin had too much to drink? MUst have sobered up by now.. it's fixed Regards, Brian Dela Re: What's up with that ? Mike Nordell22-Sep-02 20:38 Mike Nordell 22-Sep-02 20:38  Also, why only the containers&co ("STL") part of the standard C++ library? Re: What's up with that ? Christian Graus22-Sep-02 21:24 Christian Graus 22-Sep-02 21:24  I think STL has become shorthand for the std library. Truth be told, I get more excited about iostreams nowadays, but I still love the STL. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002 Re: What's up with that ? Jörgen Sigvardsson23-Sep-02 3:13 Jörgen Sigvardsson 23-Sep-02 3:13  hmm.. iostreams are part of the "templates" as well nowadays, isn't it? Last time I checked it was 50% templates (iterators and traits), and 50% "solid code". I think pretty much all code under std is more or less entangled with STL. Can one make a distinction? The Romulans are... beyond arrogant. 202.The justification of profit is profit. Re: What's up with that ? Mr Morden22-Sep-02 21:03 Mr Morden 22-Sep-02 21:03  Agreed. In fact the question was worded as the lib that made your programming life easier. For me that is any lib that does what I need it to do. We used some Dundas stuff in a previous project. This made life easier in that I didn't have to write it myself. (Though this can be fun if you don't have a deadline. ) Cheers The universe is driven by the complex interaction between three ingredients: matter, energy, and enlightened self-interest. Re: What's up with that ? NormDroid22-Sep-02 22:53 NormDroid 22-Sep-02 22:53  This is a bad voting question I use: MFC, ATL, STL, WTL, .NET base class library Developing with C++ is like programming by the seat of your pants Re: What's up with that ? Christian Graus22-Sep-02 23:37 Christian Graus 22-Sep-02 23:37  YEs, I've used all of those, but have in recent times been liberated from writing C++ GUI code. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002 Re: What's up with that ? Navin23-Sep-02 3:09 Navin 23-Sep-02 3:09  I agree - should be checkboxes. I would have chosen: STL wxWindows Other - zlib While I use MFC, it is debatable whether it actually makes life easier. "Time spent with cats is never wasted." - Colette Re: What's up with that ? Jörgen Sigvardsson23-Sep-02 3:15 Jörgen Sigvardsson 23-Sep-02 3:15  Navin wrote: While I use MFC, it is debatable whether it actually makes life easier. Agree! It just makes life "Microsoft Standardized". Only subjective oppions about "easier life" can be made. The Romulans are... beyond arrogant. 202.The justification of profit is profit. Re: What's up with that ? Chris Maunder23-Sep-02 5:40 Chris Maunder 23-Sep-02 5:40  My bad - I clicked the wrong button. Fixed now - not that it helps you, and not that it will ruin an otherwise rigourous and carefully conducted scientific survey cheers, Chris Maunder Re: What's up with that ? Fazlul Kabir23-Sep-02 6:15 Fazlul Kabir 23-Sep-02 6:15  Chris Maunder wrote: ..and not that it will ruin an otherwise rigourous and carefully conducted scientific survey Actually, I consider this as a very important poll to see the impact of new libraries such as .NET and WTL on more traditional ones such as MFC and STL. .. wish we could all vote with multiple choices from the beginning. // Fazlul Get RadVC today! Play RAD in VC++ http://www.capitolsoft.com Re: What's up with that ? ColinDavies23-Sep-02 9:59 ColinDavies 23-Sep-02 9:59  It's good to see you are still taking these Polls seriously. Regardz Colin J Davies Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.

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