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John M. Drescher wrote: Ever tried running windows 3.1 on a modern pc? It boots in less than 1 second from the dos prompt.
How does bloat justify more bloat?
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: How does bloat justify more bloat?
More features and pretty GUI elements drive sales. Also hardware companies certainly do not want Microsoft creating efficient code.
John
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Option 2: I usually discuss the pros and cons of each OS in a balanced manner
Option 3: I usually agree that Vista is crap You can take a balanced view and come to the conclusion (and agree) that Vista is crap.
On the other hand, if option 3 had read I usually argue that Vista is crap, like #1, it would have been better.
Did Chris make a subtle distinction while wording the poll, or did he just make a typo? 
Cheers,
Vıkram.
"You idiot British surprise me that your generators which grew up after Mid 50s had no brain at all." - Adnan Siddiqi.
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All four are compatible; the poll should allow multiple selections.
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I dual-boot Vista & XP until SP1 came out. A month or two after that took XP off my machine. Now I am running Vista Ultimate 64bit and haven't found a program that could not run it. All my crashes (seldom) are related to one program which also crashes XP and OSX. I find XP painful to use at work. Reminds me of Windows 98.
I use this computer for gaming and coding so its a pretty hefty PC. Just bought the nVidia GTX260. 
David
Vista user for 2 years+ now.
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Hi,
I run several instances of Visual Studio at a time on Vista boxes, works GREAT. Funny how XP systems needs to be rebooted every so often.
Note been running Vista for I guess over a 1 and 1/2, don't want to go back to XP!!!
All the machines here run Vista!
Keith
Keith
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You know, between my home and office, I work with four different machines.
My office desktop runs XP SP3 (P4 3.0 GHz) - works fine, does everything I need, fairly stable.
At home, I have a PC I built myself (AMD 64 x2) that runs Vista Ultimate SP1 - works fine, does everything I need, more stable than the work PC. And, it's been running Vista since the beta release without a single problem.
My work laptop has Vista SP1, and it sucks. Why? Because it's an outdated piece of crap with a 1.6 GHz P4 processor and a hard drive powered by squirrels in a wheel.
My wife's laptop is a <$500.00 job (AMD 64 x2) from Walmart running Vista - and it runs circles around my work machine (compile time in VStudio about half that of my work box).
Sorry to all you Vista haters out there, but both XP and Vista are good OS's in my book. It's hardware that makes or breaks the experience.
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I run XP with the latest SP on my work laptop (w/ 2 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor). I only hibernate it when I go to and from work. I reboot it only about once every month or so. It runs great! I RARELY have anything crash on it. I usually have it loaded up with ColdFusion, IIS, SQL Server 2005 Developer, Eclipse and IE 6 all running at the same time as well. It is solid as a rock.
I have also tried out Vista (Business at work and Ultimate at home). I found that the performance of Vista is HIGHLY dependent on the hardware it is running on. I have no problems or complaints with the new interface but don't see any added value in it. XP works just fine for me and will acceptably with less hardware and so far there is no software that I need that runs on Vista and NOT on XP so I find no reason to upgrade.
--Stewart
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rdskill wrote: Just bought the nVidia GTX260.
dual 280's here. 
_________________________
Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau.
Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
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This is a poll that leaves me option-checkless.
I usually argue about lipstick on a pig, not operating systems.
I usually discuss pros and cons when I'm flat on my face, or up against the wall.
I ask Joe the Plumber whether something is crap.
I abandon all arguments at the strictly-anonymous orphan drop-off revolving window at the organ-transplant bingo games run by the Sisters of St. Surplus.
Vista may be the cat's meow for some people, yawn, it may be the disappearing grin of the Cheshire cat for others, yawn ...
It is hard to use for an old dog like me who has developed certain habits in the way he scratches his fleas.
woof, Bill
"The greater the social and cultural distances between people, the more magical the light that can spring from their contact." Milan Kundera in Testaments Trahis
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I am trialing Vista at home with an XP SP3 disc close to hand, so far it has lost my internet connection for 4 days and stopped streaming media to my PS3...but its sooo pretty.
I'd say for non techies at home it is OK, wouldn't recommend it for development or business use - thats why I VPN into my work PC for any dev work
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Maybe you forgot to pay your ISP. 
By the way, how do you vpn without your internet connection?
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Hee well I guess the quantifier of 'lost connection for 4 days' may have indicated it wasn't a permanent problem, but then again maybe not...
After trying every possible option I system restored the PC back to when I bought it, then it worked. Was most strange as I had only installed MS software up to that point, oh wait maybe its not that strange 
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I own a number of PCs and I work for an organization that has about 500 PCs in use. Not one of my computers, and only a half dozen of my employers is able to use Vista. It is just too big, too bloated and too slow to be of use to me or to my employer. Although the cost of hardware has dropped significantly, replacing all those systems with ones capable of reasonable Vista performance is way outside of the budget. Sometimes, I half believe that Microsoft is in collusion with the hardware manufactures and system builders to raise money by forcing hardware replacement just to be able to run a more secure operating system.
Personally, some of the hardware I am running cannot run any version of Windows newer that Windows 98. They work, they do their job (off of the Internet, of course). Upgrading is just a waste of money.
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So don't upgrade.
Microsoft designed Vista with new technologies in mind so that they could improve performance. Naturally this actually requires the new technologies to work properly. If your machines are that old, then don't expect Ms to keep supporting them. If Ms held back on the resource consumption, they would lose to their competitors due to the lack of new features. Let's face it, aero, indexing, and readyboost are all designed to provide a better experience by consuming more resources. I agree that some programs are bloated (e.g. IE7 - especially in comparison to Chrome), but overall Vista is better than XP on the computers it was designed for. The only major mistake Ms made with Vista was reducing the minimum requirements - 800 MHz and 512 MB RAM are laughable. I wouldn't consider running Vista with anything less than 1 GB, and would recommend 2 GB, since performance with Vista really seems to scale with RAM. 800 MHz is a joke as well - once again, doubling the recommended 1 GHz provides a decent performance (especially with a dual core). And for the record, don't bother considering an OS without all of the latest SPs - its just incomplete without them. Vista is pretty good on a decent system with SP1.
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Firm bought me HP Compaq 8710p, with Vista Ultimate.
I spent 3 days installing VS 2005, SQL Server 2005 & other dominantly MS
products.
System crashed twice during instalations, returning me to the start (recovery).
I have installed XP SP2, and I am happy 
I DO have job to do other than installing, reinstalling anf fixing OS,
there are enough problems with our own code  , I don't want
to spend time google-ing about fixes, bugs etc...
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I run vista business on a HP Compaq 6710b with 4Gb of RAM and I can't complain. I has not crashed on me once.
I run SQL Server 2005, VS2008 Team systems, Office 2007 and a whole bunch of other apps and it performs way better then XP.
Especially when you start running the apps simultaneously.
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I'm not using Vista myself right now (XP/SP3 is fine on all my boxes). However my daughter's ThinkPad died so I bought her a new laptop. (A Gateway). Got it for < $500 at Best Buy. Geez - the box was configured stock with 4GB of main. Still ... it was pre-loaded with Vista SP1 (64-bit) and seems to work fine. Connected up with my home LAN right away, runs all the stuff we already have (Office 2003, etc) - she's happy as a clam. Nice little box that Gateway; if I needed a laptop I'd buy one for myself, plenty of power.
I would *not* upgrade an existing XP/SP3 installation to Vista at this point - but on a box designed to run it I see no problem with it now - works very well.
-CB
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Both me and my wife do software development; both (large) companies mandate Windows XP; and don't allow Vista for the corporate desktops. That certainly suggests something to me...
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simply suggests that the large corporations don't want to train thier employees to use (and support) current technologies.
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I would like to suggest a correction:
"simply suggests that the large corporations don't want to" spend the money to "train thier employees to use (and support) current technologies." 
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Yeah, this argument makes sense...
"Vista is crap because our hardware is too far outdated to run it"
Believe me, Microsoft doesn't want you running vista on your outdated machines either. You won't be happy with it. If your business runs fine on old machines then great, keep using it. When you are ready to upgrade, buy the hardware to run it.
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Keeping the old is okay until you by that new software package and find it is only for Vista. We have one machine that can not run XP!
Current technology is great but when the developers have to use machines (XP) that take five minutes to boot??
MS has started to look at other ways of doing things as their Core Server shows.
I have not worked with Vista but would like to, however, no money to upgrade my system at home. 
djj
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