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I was just wondering what you think the top 3 most marketable programming skills are. What should I know to give me a better chance at landing my first job out of school? ASP? Perl? Cobol? (lots of want ads for this) Java?
I have SO much C++ experience, but that doesn't seem to mean squat. What do I need?
Thanks,
Tym!
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Hi Tym!
I know your profile says tour in the US, but you might want to take a look at this UK based computer trends site. www.jobstats.co.uk[^] It details job advert trends for IT, so you can see which skills are in demand and how they have changed over time.
It's not exactly a definate measure, but it's certainly a useful site. 
Dylan Kenneally
London, UK
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Thanks Dylan! That's exactly the kind of info I was looking for.
Tym!
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He, he,
looks that our profund C++ skills are not that outdated as often claimed 
(C++ on rank 11 and Java on rank 15  )
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Daniel Lohmann
http://www.losoft.de
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I see the "Bush Recession" is affecting the UK too. Job postings and jobs are way down in the US and not likely to recover for a while.
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Jason Henderson
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"If you are going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill
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I wonder what 'Microsoft' line means in this statistics. What technologies do they mean by that?
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Tym! wrote:
what you think the top 3 most marketable programming skills are
Currently, the three top skillsets to have are:-
Experience, Experience and Experience. It's an employeers market, so you have to be very experienced (or in a few cases - very cheap)
Michael 
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana
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A couple of months back, our good man Nish posted a message asking "How easy is it for westerners to land jobs in other locations?" [^], this got me thinking...
How easy/hard would it be for us westerners to find work in other countries? I've been talking this through with my girlfriend, and we've said that once we get out of student debt, as we only graduated a year ago and Britain's completely lost the idea of free higher education for all (sigh) , which should be in around 4 years we will look seriously into moving to another country. This, in theory, will give us time to learn other another language, and decide where we want to be.
So has anyone got any thought's of the problems we may face, or any experience of doing similar?
And what's winter in South America like?
BTW, the sort of thing we would be looking at:
programming job (for me)environmental job (for the girly)
Dylan Kenneally
London, UK
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Dylan,
the only way to really compare places is to go there.
I spent a few months in Nuremberg last year and its one place I would go to live.
After you get past the language barrier and the surface formality people were great.
My one regret is that it was too long to be away from friends and family and too short to make a life there.
Elaine (fluffy tigress emoticon)
Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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I've faced this problem a few months ago when I decided to move to Asia. I finally landed in China without knowing one word of Chinese...
In general, without the job, no visa, without the visa, no job  . Thanks to the commonwealth, english people have an edge to get a temporary working visa in many countries.
Students can easily go abroad for diploma or trainership. This is certainly the easiest way to put one foot in your future country! It will make a potential employer feel confident to hire you once graduated.
Another common way to go abroad is to work a couple of years in an international company with offices both local and in the target country. Just hope that the abroad office won't be closed before you go...
Of course, any door even the most unlikely can be opened if you know the right person at the right place  .
In any case, knowing the local language is a MUST for integration!
Hope it helps,
Eric
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hi, guys,
i am a cs student graduating this december with a bachelor degree. i've had several programing jobs up to now, and right now i am working full time as a software developer (things get kinda tough at the end of the semester, but somehow i've managed them the last two times). i have like 2.5 years of work experience as a software developer. now i might be offered to move to Italy and work/study for a masters degree there. i guess masters is no fooling around (as bachelor degree "was" for me)so if i work there it would be part time.
so... are there any european developers here? i am interested in the average salary a programmer gets in europe, especially in Italy, both for full and part time jobs. i guess that with the advent of the euro things are pretty much the same in whole europe. yet i want to know how much can i get and a realistic figure is a good thing to mention at an interview 
thank you in advance. your help would be much appreciated
Real programmers never die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.
as read somewhere on the net.
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go work for the eec... 80k a year, 4 months holiday, what else could you ask for?
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Hi..
I'm preparing to pass exam 70-100 (Solution Architecture) and I wish to know if the microsoft training kit is usefull or it's better to buy the Sybex preparation guide or even to go without them !!
Please give any advice.
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Neither. I would buy the Transcender. Also, I'll give you the advice some people are paying $700. Read the questions carefully.
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I agree. The "study guides" for this exam are useless. They changed the exam but noone has put out a new study guide for it.
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I am eager to hear about the new .NET tests? I know the VB/C# Windows Forms test is available and the VB/C# Web Forms will be available soon.
Any feedback would be appreciated. 
Soliant
"Every man dies, not every man really lives"
- Braveheart
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Hi..
I took the beta version of C# windows applications exam.
90 Questions in 180 minutes
many questions about DB , SQL , Assemblies,problems of setup.
anyway I did not pass !
Good Luck...
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Don't feel bad I failed the C# XML Web Services beta and probably the Web applications beta too 
I didn't prepare for either of them.
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Hi all,
I am a recent graduate of a two year computer engineering program (3.98 GPA). My intentions are to take the MSDN exam 70-016 then look for a job. I have not held a programming job.
What are the chances of landing a coding job in the New England (USA)area? What types of positions might these be?
I really really really do not want a tech support position!! Should I take one anyway to get my foot in the door?
Thanks for all responses
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Hi, Paul. Congrats on your graduation. I'm in Virginia so can't speak for the New England job market but can offer some general comments.
Most employers seem to want a bachelor's degrees (4 years) for programming positions. That's true for job postings I've seen from just about everywhere in the U.S. Here in Virginia, near Washington DC, many employers ask for Master's degrees. I have seen companies that only require a 2 year degree for web development positions. If you're interested in that you'll need either ASP, Flash, or Cold Fusion skills.
Don't take a tech support position unless you get really desperate. I haven't seen them lead to programming jobs very often. It would be better if you can join a company as an entry-level programmer and then work your way up. You might even consider doing a low-pay or no-pay internship to gain some documentable experience.
Good luck!
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I'd concur with the warning about tech support. I've worked my way up the tech support ladder from the help desk to system engineer, working at several companies, and at no time has my programming skill been of any real use to me... except of course when working with programmers on a problem.
It's a whole different path, and usually attracts a whole different kind of person. 
Stick to your guns, maybe you'll have to start out as a junior programmer, but you'll get there without having to install Office on thousand computers.
what if the hokey pokey really IS what it's all about?
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Paul -- I think it really depends on what you mean about "coding work?" What types of apps do you want to develop? What programming tools/languages do you want to use to develop these products?
I am co-authoring the Codeproject.com's new Career Column, Career 2.0, which launches July 29. I'm not a developer (yet!) but have a lot of experience recruiting for Compaq, EMC, and Microsoft -- among others.
In this market, corporate recruiters usually prefer 4 year degrees -- but so what? It just means you need to bypass companies' recruiting departments, and directly contact hiring managers.
Many hiring managers want people who have the skills necessary to successfully do the work/job, but are usually less specific as to where and how you developed those skills. Bill Gates doesn't have a 4 year college degree  .
Do you have any code that you've written that you could demo to future employers? Can it run as a web app that a hiring manager could easily access from an html email that you would send him/her? If not, start writing now!
The first Career 2.0 article is focusing on how to do this -- so please be sure to check it out on the 29th --
Hope this helps -- and please ping me after the article posts if it doesn't answer all of your questions --
Andi
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