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John C wrote: Xerox Parc Alto
Did you mean Xerox Palo Alto Research Center (PARC)?
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No I meant what I said (with more punctuation): Xerox P.A.R.C. "Alto" branded computer.
"The pursuit of excellence is less profitable than the pursuit of bigness, but it can be more satisfying."
- David Ogilvy
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John C wrote: the Xerox Parc Alto which had every element in modern computing
I beg to differ. The Alto didn't have a blue screen. Credit for that goes to Microsoft. 
/ravi
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Well it did have a debug stack trace that would popup when it crashed so perhaps more advanced. 
"The pursuit of excellence is less profitable than the pursuit of bigness, but it can be more satisfying."
- David Ogilvy
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Was just typing, "maybe we should ask Xerox". Glad I looked at the replies first
The only thing unpredictable about me is just how predictable I'm going to be.
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Except from saying that also Apple has used ideas from other companies (see the comments of others in this thread), you should note one thing about industry in general and especially about computer industry: There is no creation from zero!
Everyone uses ideas based on other ideas, improves them, then someone else uses these new ideas for his own projects and so on...Who or which company can actually say that it has evolved from nothing to where it stands now without even thinking of what the competition is doing? The power of a company lies in its ability to innovate and develop new ideas and products, thus adding value to the value already existing in the IT industry. Does Google started from scratch, inventing WWW and TCP/IP again? No. Does Apple started from scratch re-inventing GUI of Xerox? No.
Microsoft innovates in ways no other company does. And what is more, it uses all of its resources so that it can not only innovate itself, but also give the opportunity to developes innovate themselfs. You can download any API, Visual Studio Express, MSDN help, etc etc etc for free and develop. Try that on other companies...
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Palavos wrote: you should note one thing about industry in general and especially about computer industry: There is no creation from zero!
We are all standing on the shoulders of giants (to quote Sir Isaac Newton)
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Palavos wrote: Microsoft innovates in ways no other company does
Yes. Partially agreed . This is not always true. For instance, Microsoft was reluctant to introduce tabbed browsing support to the IE. But when Mozilla really innovated the Firefox, Microsoft forced to follow the suite. Have a look at
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/05/firefox_can_browsers_make_buck.html[^]
Another trend among giants like Microsoft and Google is, if they can't make it they will buy it!!!
Google took youtute.
Microsoft tried to swallow Yahoo!
"Silence will create respect and dignity; justice and fair play will bring more friends;
benevolence and charity will enhance prestige and position; courtesy will draw benevolence;
service of mankind will secure leadership and good words will overcome powerful enemies"
Ali (Peace be upon him)
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Nisamudheen wrote: But when Mozilla really innovated the Firefox, Microsoft forced to follow the suite
Correct. Except that Firefox in turn copied from Opera.
Look. It doesn't really matter who copied from whom. What matters is who has the best implementation at any point in time. For me, with browsers it's Firefox. Despite the fact that my intro to tabbed browsing was with Opera the pioneer.
Kevin
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Oh, well then, Bell Labs -- for putting Ken Thompson and Dennis Ritchie together.
Too bad the question is about current events, not history.
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I admit that they are vying for each other in stiff competition to gain the upper hand. But from a developer's perspective, their innovations and products have always been very much beneficial and inspirational to tread along to greater altitude and heights.
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson
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Hmmm...I agree but for possibly different reasons. Microsoft provides me with a market, a platform, tools and to a much lesser degree knowledge.
Google on the other hand I don't see as doing a lot of good with their non search engine stuff. Google provides a search engine which gives me quick and easy access to critical information just about every day I'm working that helps me get the job done. But as far as all the other stuff Google is doing it has absolutly zero affect on me as a developer and there are a *lot* of search engines out there, I just tend to always Google it.
This survey is a little redundant because this being a Microsoft centric development site the results are clearly known in advance.
"The pursuit of excellence is less profitable than the pursuit of bigness, but it can be more satisfying."
- David Ogilvy
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I absolutely agree with your opinion!
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