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Pawel Krakowiak wrote: prefer not to deal with office politics and morons
While I appreciate that, it is also a fun keeping those junk stuff away when they intrude into our territory.
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I don't find it to be any fun at all. Just a hassle holding companies back.
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Working in any type of a busy office is a nightmare.
// "In the end it's a little boy expressing himself." Yanni
while (I_am_alive)
{
cout<<"I love to do more than just programming.";
}
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And if you are one of those unlucky finding yourself amidst fish-mongers yelling at the top of the pitch, the situation is a total mess.
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Hamed Mosavi wrote: Working in any type of a busy office is a nightmare.
Yeap u r right, most of classic code i have written when almost no body in office and there is pin drop silence 
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Bah - the last time I worked in a silent place was 8 years ago when I worked from home and still was single.
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I sit in a fairly open cube arrangement that's co-located with a call center. Constant chatter along with people yelling across the room goes on all day long. Furthermore, we're in a basement...no windows in sight. We're not allowed to possess flash drives, cell phones, MP3 players or any other recordable device in this office. So, headphones are out. The only white noise comes from a small portable fan that has to run full-tilt because the temperature hovers around 80 degrees most days down here. Right now, I can hear at least 12 other people talking...so you can imagine that productivity is never too high. The brain-dead management evidently sees no issues... naturally.
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Bob1763b wrote: temperature hovers around 80
Bob1763b wrote: co-located with a call center
Bob1763b wrote: now, I can hear at least 12 other people talking
What do the management expect any programmer human being to do in such a hell?
// "In the end it's a little boy expressing himself." Yanni
while (I_am_alive)
{
cout<<"I love to do more than just programming.";
}
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Well, I for one am working on a couple of certifications right now. As soon as those are complete, I'm pulling the rip cord on this position and heading for greener (and hopefully cooler and sunnier) pastures.
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I really wish you a good luck.
I'm pretty sure everyone there is thinking about a change. If the management doesn't think soon enough, others will solve the issue themselves. That's what I call a disaster for their project.
// "In the end it's a little boy expressing himself." Yanni
while (I_am_alive)
{
cout<<"I love to do more than just programming.";
}
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There are still companies which provide a room with 4 solid walls and a door. (a.k.a. office).
Where is this option?
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Offices are overrated 
I do like to have my own office though, I had one in the previous company.
WM.
What about weapons of mass-construction?
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You can not expect this in India. You would see worse scenes like half a dozen people squatting across and sharing the same dormitory-kind of environment.
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson
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I agree... it's the best option.
1/3rd space for desk and PC
1/3rd space for having meeting with other people
1/3rd space for personal interest (I have 4 pinball machine) while compilation takes too long (away from me utilities for speed up compiling)
1 real door to lock out noise, a real stereo system...
(I have not forgotten coffeepot... i drink only water or cold tea...)
Davide
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The last time I had a real office with a door was, of all things, my very first programming job! Ever since then, it's been a cube...except for one brief period where I worked in a large shared room with a panoramic view of downtown (lots of windows) and free snacks! That was the best! Waaaaahhhhh!
What does an agnostic, dyslexic, insomniac do?
He lies awake at night wondering if there's a dog.
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Ami Bar wrote: There are still companies which provide a room with 4 solid walls and a door. (a.k.a. office).
Where is this option?
Joel Spolsky says offices are best.
Who am I to disagree?
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Unfortunately...
Joel Spolsky lives in the land of physics. No wind, no gravity, no friction. He had to form his own company because nobody would put up with (often) arrogant shenanigans. Real-world companies almost never operate in the ideal. Cubes have been a way of life for most companies (and government) since they were invented. They aren't likely to go away anytime soon.
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Bob1763b wrote: Cubes have been a way of life for most companies (and government) since they were invented.
That is a US-typical phenomenon. Here in Germany, huge multinational Trusts who are feeling progessive (IBM!) are having cubicles (but they move to open, semi-separated spaces).
All other Companys provide offices. Sometime 2- or 3-person offices, but still...
Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all.
Douglas Adams, "Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency"
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I voted "private cubes", because it comes closest to a decent office.
My office was meant to be a shared one, it has space for two desks. But I'm sitting here alone. By the way, I also got two windows. One of them is open right now, so the wind from outside blow across the place where the second desk should stand. Well, sometimes it feels more like a home office than a cube, but as it's in the company building, I voted for "cube".
This statement is false.
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I think it depends on your role.
If you don't need to interact with other people much then you would like a room for yourself but if you're a project manager that likes to be on top of things you would prefer to be closest to your team.
I'm working on an open office with separated desks (small ones) and it suites my needs, just needed a bigger desk.
When a situation appears we debate right there for a solution without the hassle of meeting requests and the overall productivity drawback it brings.
When we need privacy, for a meeting or something else, we have a 2nd floor.
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Ami Bar wrote: room with 4 solid walls
I have (almost) always had a private room. And I always disconnect the office phone.
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