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Clarification, elaboration, etc. Jason Hooper20-Jul-02 3:52 Jason Hooper 20-Jul-02 3:52  I always thought MSDN subscription was MS sending you a copy of the CD's that freely come with msdev and online msdn.microsoft.com. What does a "subscription" really provide you besides these? - Jason (SonorkID 100.611) In the beginning, teachers taught the 5 W's: who, what, where, when, why. Now it's just a big damn G Old library (not .NET ) are better Pavel Sokolov18-Jul-02 9:36 Pavel Sokolov 18-Jul-02 9:36  This is only for me? What you think about usability of the new .NET library. I have a Prof. subsc. but use old library... Pavel Sokolov, CEZEO software, LanTalk Network, http://www.cezeo.com http://www.lantalk.net ... and how do you have it installed? Gary Wheeler17-Jul-02 3:44 Gary Wheeler 17-Jul-02 3:44  Do you install the whole schmeer on your hard drive? Or do you swap discs willy-nilly? "Think of it as evolution in action." - 'Oath of Fealty' by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle Re: ... and how do you have it installed? Roger Allen17-Jul-02 4:05 Roger Allen 17-Jul-02 4:05  We install it all on our server and then point to that from our local computer. It means we can all share the same installation. Neat and easy. And allowed by the licence agreement! Roger Allen Sonork 100.10016 If I had a quote, it would be a very good one. Re: ... and how do you have it installed? Brian Delahunty17-Jul-02 7:43 Brian Delahunty 17-Jul-02 7:43  INstall it all. "When a friend hurts us, we should write it down in the sand, where the winds of forgiveness get in charge of erasing it away, and when something great happens, we should engrave it in the stone of the memory of the heart, where no wind can erase it" Nish on life [methinks] "It's The Soapbox; topics are optional" Shog 9 Re: ... and how do you have it installed? Navin17-Jul-02 10:23 Navin 17-Jul-02 10:23  There's a master install on the server, and everyone just points to that one. The biggest problem with that is that if the server admin upgrades MSDN and forgets to tell us, we get strange results. Some things appear to work, and other things fail... until MSDN is reinstalled. Even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat. MSDN Search Functionality sucks Anonymous16-Jul-02 5:56 Anonymous 16-Jul-02 5:56  Hi have a universal subscription and it really is a must have product. One gripe though is that the MSDN search functionality really sucks. You get hundreds of results returned and they are mostly irrelevant. I usually try google first and then reluctantly MSDN. Re: MSDN Search Functionality sucks Navin17-Jul-02 10:21 Navin 17-Jul-02 10:21  I agree, MSDN's search sucks. What I often do if I can't find what I want straight out of the index is to do a Google search but only on all "microsoft.com" domains. Works well! Even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat. Re: MSDN Search Functionality sucks Geert Delmeiren17-Jul-02 20:16 Geert Delmeiren 17-Jul-02 20:16  Navin wrote: What I often do if I can't find what I want straight out of the index is to do a Google search but only on all "microsoft.com" domains. Did you know you have http://www.google.com/microsoft.html for that? Strange things you find on the MSDN CD's Michael P Butler15-Jul-02 23:39 Michael P Butler 15-Jul-02 23:39  There have been some strange things on the MSDN CD's over the years. Recently I discovered a copy of VC 1.52 on one of the DVDS! In the past there was a rather cool dating show parody with Microsoft geeks in the AVI editor. I guess it was a skit from Saturday Night Live or something else. One FoxPro sample had a .wav file from some MS developer called Dave say "Here I am in my new office at Microsoft". Anybody else find anything wierd and wacky? Michael Look, try and use your intelligence, man, even if you are a politician. - The Doctor Re: Strange things you find on the MSDN CD's Jamie.17-Jul-02 2:27 Jamie. 17-Jul-02 2:27  VC 1.52 is very useful to the embedded software community… It was the last 16-bit version that Microsoft released. Re: Strange things you find on the MSDN CD's Navin17-Jul-02 10:20 Navin 17-Jul-02 10:20  It is also useful when writing drivers, since ***CENSORED*** Windows 95, 98, and Me require all drivers to be 16-bit. (Fortunately, I just write the installer for those drivers, which can be 32 bit.) Even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat. For those who have none Michael P Butler15-Jul-02 22:41 Michael P Butler 15-Jul-02 22:41  Why not? Is it the cost? Don't think you need it? Use the online library? Management are a bunch of cheapskates? Michael Look, try and use your intelligence, man, even if you are a politician. - The Doctor Re: For those who have none PJ Arends15-Jul-02 23:53 PJ Arends 15-Jul-02 23:53  Michael P Butler wrote: Is it the cost? Yes Michael P Butler wrote: Use the online library? Yes As a hobbiest, I can't justify the cost. Also, most of what I need I can find on the version of MSDN that came with my compiler. Anything else I can go online for. --- CPUA 0x5041 Sonork 100.11743 Chicken Little Within you lies the power for good - Use it! Re: For those who have none Mike Gaskey17-Jul-02 14:22 Mike Gaskey 17-Jul-02 14:22  Ditto on all points. Mike Re: For those who have none ColinDavies19-Jul-02 14:24 ColinDavies 19-Jul-02 14:24  Since I have never had it, I don't miss it. Regardz Colin J Davies Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus Would you work for a company who didn't have an MSDN Subscription? Michael P Butler15-Jul-02 20:13 Michael P Butler 15-Jul-02 20:13  I wouldn't. It's one of the big questions I ask in all interviews. If they won't invest in the right tools, then I'm not interested in working for them. The job is hard enough at times without missing out on the tools of the trade. Michael Look, try and use your intelligence, man, even if you are a politician. - The Doctor Re: Would you work for a company who didn't have an MSDN Subscription? Nish Nishant15-Jul-02 20:44 Nish Nishant 15-Jul-02 20:44  I am! Nish Author of the romantic comedy Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win] Review by Shog9 Click here for review[NW] Re: Would you work for a company who didn't have an MSDN Subscription? Jim Crafton16-Jul-02 3:09 Jim Crafton 16-Jul-02 3:09  Ditto here too ! I have asked repeatedly and it just gets filed in /dev/null Re: Would you work for a company who didn't have an MSDN Subscription? Christian Graus15-Jul-02 22:47 Christian Graus 15-Jul-02 22:47  I did, but they had no money, so it was understandable. Also, not all programmers need it. Game developers sure wouldn't. Christian come on all you MS suckups, defend your sugar-daddy now. - Chris Losinger - 11/07/2002 Re: Would you work for a company who didn't have an MSDN Subscription? Michael P Butler15-Jul-02 23:35 Michael P Butler 15-Jul-02 23:35  Christian Graus wrote: Game developers sure wouldn't. I think anybody who needs to test against multiple Windows platforms would find an MSDN subscription the easiest way to get access to all flavours of Windows. Michael Look, try and use your intelligence, man, even if you are a politician. - The Doctor Re: Would you work for a company who didn't have an MSDN Subscription? Christian Graus15-Jul-02 23:36 Christian Graus 15-Jul-02 23:36  Easy, but hardly economical. Christian come on all you MS suckups, defend your sugar-daddy now. - Chris Losinger - 11/07/2002 Re: Would you work for a company who didn't have an MSDN Subscription? Michael P Butler15-Jul-02 23:40 Michael P Butler 15-Jul-02 23:40  I suppose for bigger companies with proper testing departments it isn't economical. However for little guys like me getting all the OS's to test against for less than £2000 (including the server OS's) is a great financial help. Michael Look, try and use your intelligence, man, even if you are a politician. - The Doctor Re: Would you work for a company who didn't have an MSDN Subscription? CaesarCZ20-Jul-02 13:17 CaesarCZ 20-Jul-02 13:17  2000 pounds? In here, I'd have all the OS's from Microsoft in full... Or live out of it for 4 months Re: Would you work for a company who didn't have an MSDN Subscription? Navin17-Jul-02 10:18 Navin 17-Jul-02 10:18  I would, but only if my job was to write Mac or Linux apps. I didn't realize how useful the universal subscription was until I started working at my current company. It sure is nice to be able to test with pretty much any OS and server component to ensure our stuff works right. And of course, Visual would be pretty much useless without the MSDN help. Even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat.

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