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Just a few days ago, there was a message in the Lounge. I couldn't recall it verbatim here. However, the content goes like this:
"If you know typing, you are a programmer. If you have seen Visual Studio, you are a developer".
I think the poster is cent per cent correct considering the crappy state currently.
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson
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There are a lot of people out there who want things to be better. At Scottish Developers we give people feedback forms to fill in. The requests for talks on "patterns and practices" is typically in the 70-80% for every event. On one occasion is was 100%. We are concentrating on this sort of thing for the next year.
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Same as the term 'IT'. I hate that abbreviation!
Anonymous: "So, what do you do?"
Developer: "I work in IT."
Anonymous: *rolling eyes*
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I am very proud of being a software developer myself. However, I can understand your view because there is a lot of dross out there.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: I am very proud of being a software developer myself. However, I can understand your view because there is a lot of dross out there.
EeeYAH, how true that is. Sometime tomorrow I will have to have a discussion with my boss (who got his B.S.C.S. prior to the advent of OOP) and my co-developer (who degreed in Mechanical Engineering) why having a different copy of a component for each of several web applications is NOT good engineering practice. I like and respect both of them on many levels, but hate the battles I have to fight because they are from the "get it working, and if it ain't broke don't fix it" school of thought, and my own thought process says "If it isn't engineered right, even if it doesn't look broke it's going to be sooner or later."
Oh, well.
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Pete Appleton wrote: Now, every Tom Dick and Harry seems to think that they're a developer
But we know they are only web monkeys (aka HTML/Javascript/CSS people).
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I don't even need to comment.
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Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway
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When I went to school, CIS 300 was the hardest class at the college. Only 5 of the 60 or so enrolled passed. Every single one of those people I would love to have working with me. The next semester, too many people complained that it was too hard, so they made it easier to get by without having to write programs that met the requirements, compiled and ran in the environments. Someone could get a C without even having a program that compiled once! That's why we now have Technical screenings.
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I completely agree with you. I went to Missouri State and experienced the same thing. I skipped the first VB class and went into part 2. I had never had VB before, but convinced them due to prior programming experience. The first few weeks were programming review. The instructor taught us how to create a program using only drag and drop to an Access database. Most people got this right, but it was way too easy! They were cranking out graduates, but the degrees didn't mean much. I would have preferred more expensive smaller classes with actual programming based on skill. The same way they place people in English and Math classes. Every student would get more out of it and the graduates would be worth more out of college.
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So true. I still think software development is above average in terms of satisfaction and prestige, but nothing special anymore (there are rare exceptions of course). It's too much of a commodity now. A lot of it has been reduced to worker drone types of work.
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...proud of the software we make.
Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy that I can sit in a darkened room in my bathrobe working from home and write code for a living, but pride? I don't know about that. Pride seems to be something that needs other people to fully enjoy.
It's a profession no average person can fully or even partly understand so it's a bit pointless to be proud of it; you're either in the company of other software developers in which case pride doesn't enter in to it (you just *know* you're a better coder than the rest of them  ) or you're in the company of average ordinary everyday people who will never understand or care to understand any bit of it, or simply equate it with the most technical thing they know about their computer so they assume you make web sites or something. In which case pride is equally as irrelevant.
I am, however, very proud of the fact that my company makes truly useful and important software with thousands of users in over 60 countries around the world; we not only make respectable money for ourselves but equally make a lot of money for our customers who often use our software as the heart of their business. That's something I can be proud of.
More people died from worry than ever bled to death. - RAH
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If CListCtrl and Rocky (Word Office Assistant) are there, it would add color and life to the work making more passionate and in turn, driving us to feel proud of the profession.
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson
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I think the poll should comprised of checkboxes instead of Radio Buttons. Isn't it?
Since a job satisfaction includes both by the nature of job and the organizational association too.
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
Personal Homepage
Tech Gossips
A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson
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Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote: I think the poll should comprised of checkboxes instead of Radio Buttons. Isn't it?
No. I chose to be a Software developer before started running.. No matter whether I'm from big companies or not.. I will be proud of my profession that I chose. If the organization is not so good for me then I will try to suggest how to make this organization better. If I can't then I will look the other organization.. anyways, I will still proud of being a software developer..
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Michael Sync wrote: If the organization is not so good for me then I will try to suggest how to make this organization better. If I can't then I will look the other organization
True. I have voted with a '5' vote.
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
Personal Homepage
Tech Gossips
A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson
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Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote: True. I have voted with a '5' vote.
thanks. man..
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