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I agree, there should be an option up there for Common Sense.
Also, an option for Keep Patches up-to Date would be good.
Anti-Virus programs are for dumb computer users who don't know how to look after their computers properly (no Common Sense) 
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Although not strictly applicable to your situation, downloading to a new system, I always disable my network connection during (for example) a ZoneAlarm upgrade, since it must shut itself down for the update. This, of course, means downloading the update and not installing directly from their server - this latter practice being one I follow for all downloads.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
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If you disable networking how does ZoneAlarm get the update?
regards,
Paul Watson
Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote: Watson's law:
As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
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1) Download update
2) Disable Network
3) Install Update
4) Start ZA
5) Reconnect to network.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
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Ah right.
Yeah, different to my situation.
regards,
Paul Watson
Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote: Watson's law:
As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
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With the benifit of 20/20 hindsight, you can follow a similar pattern if you downloaded SP2 before you built the system - which you no doubt already figured out.
I tend to think that way from the get-go, having gone through the agony (from DOS days) of needing to install a CDROM driver when my copy of it was on a CDROM. The one on the install-floppy was the generic version and wouldn't work with the installed hardware. It took hours to get it all worked out - and afterwards I alway try to have all available software on-hand from the get-go.
Another lesson it tought me was be more cautious about helping friends with their PC problems. Stories about that, alone, would make a great thread. I think I should have told people I worked as a shoemaker.
Balboos
"No Good Deed Goes Unpunished."
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Balboos wrote: With the benifit of 20/20 hindsight, you can follow a similar pattern if you downloaded SP2 before you built the system - which you no doubt already figured out.
I didn't have a secured box to download SP2 from. I had to:
1. Install Windows XP, network enabled
2. Download SP2
3. Burn SP2 to CD
4. Reinstall Windows XP, network disabled
5. Install SP2 from CD
6. Enable network
7. Switch to Mac OS X 
regards,
Paul Watson
Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote: Watson's law:
As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
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Paul Watson wrote: The last time a computer of mine was infected was when I installed Windows XP (without SP 2) and connected to the net. 30 minutes later, while waiting for SP2 to download, my computer was a petri dish.
I did that once when I was reimaging my laptop (this was in SP1 days) to see how long it took before the system was toasted...8 seconds. 
If that's not a compelling illustration of why firewalls are needed, I don't know what is. 
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CListCtrl.
I guess it had to happen sooner or later...
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Anton Afanasyev wrote: I guess it had to happen sooner or later...
(1) By Intuition
(1) CListCtrl
(1) NAT
Who add this "CListCtrl"? maybe.. Chris might know who did this..
Thanks and Regards,
Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net)
"Please vote to let me (and others) know if this answer helped you or not. A 5 vote tells people that your question has been answered successfully and that I've pitched it at just the right level. Thanks."
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Michael Sync wrote: Who add this "CListCtrl"?
It is a legendary tale. Once upon a time, someone asked a question about 'CListCtrl' in the Survey forums, perhaps in thier inebriated state. From then onwards, it has become customary to fondly remember that first folly of someone in Survey forums by mentioning CListCtrl as a good, definitive source of humor and completeness. 
Also, a quick search got me a real CListCtrl article from CP:
http://www.codeproject.com/listctrl/clistctrl_insertrow.asp[^]
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What about "Common Sense", "Condom" and "Rub cod liver oil all over it"?? :P
Thanks and Regards,
Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net)
"Please vote to let me (and others) know if this answer helped you or not. A 5 vote tells people that your question has been answered successfully and that I've pitched it at just the right level. Thanks."
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I was wondering to suggest Chris to add CListCtrl to all polls as an answer, so there won't be any need to custom answers anymore.
Just kidding.;)
// "In the end it's a little boy expressing himself." Yanni
while (I'm_alive)
{
cout<<"I love programming.";
}
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Hamed Mosavi wrote: I was wondering to suggest Chris to add CListCtrl to all polls as an answer
Perhaps at the table level default value?
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Anton Afanasyev wrote: CListCtrl.
I guess it had to happen sooner or later...
Well, I was going to write in "I don't use a computer". 
Marc
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The sense of secure computing abstaining from 'rogue' websites or malaware applications should be from one's heart. AV/Personal Firewall help us in fact towards this goal. We need to cooperate to achieve the following:
1) Taking care of not entering bad sites even by mistake, like clicking on a Phishing hyperlink.
2) Have patience and remind ourselves of keeping the AV definitions up-to-date.
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
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Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote: 2) Have patience and remind ourselves of keeping the AV definitions up-to-date.
Patience for what? If your antivirus doesn't have automatic updates then you should change it, since this is a basic requirement.
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Zoltan Balazs wrote: Patience for what?
Some people really get bored and kill the Update session if it is taking a lot of bandwidth downloading or is a CPU-eater during the pattern updates. I am typically talking about Symantec Antivirus which is known to 'kill' the system heavily. 
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
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The most difficult thing about Symantec is getting rid of the bloody thing.
Quote from Great Outdoors:
its a confident traveller who farts in India
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Is Symantec doing something at all to improve thier products or aggressively looking at shutting down?
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson
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