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Re: I never turn off any of my computers. Vasudevan Deepak Kumar30-Jul-07 17:45 Vasudevan Deepak Kumar 30-Jul-07 17:45  db_cooper1950 wrote: I do turn all monitors off. This itself saves a lot of resources. Wouldn't it? Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Homepage Tech Gossips Re: I never turn off any of my computers. chmod222231-Jul-07 2:14 chmod2222 31-Jul-07 2:14  Monitors go to standby? That's almost the same as if they were shutdown. It Depends Roger Wright30-Jul-07 5:22 Roger Wright 30-Jul-07 5:22  At work I shut off workstations nightly because we have incredibly unreliable power and only a couple of UPS units. The servers I leave running all the time, since they are well protected, and there's no real benefit to shutting them down. After all, we ARE the power company. "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement" I never turn off my PC bwhittington30-Jul-07 4:38 bwhittington 30-Jul-07 4:38  I only turn off my PC when I am leaving me home for more than couple of days. I've read and heard from others that turning on and off a PC can actually shorten its lifespan. I have not done a test specifically but I've had two computers run for 8 years straight without any component failure. My parents, who turn on and off their computer multiple times a day have had to replace their computer 4 times in the same amount of time because of component failure. I've heard an analogy that turning on your computer is like pouring ice cold water onto a sleeper. It shocks it awake and if I am the sleeper it definitely takes away some of my living time. Brett A. Whittington Application Developer Re: I never turn off my PC codemunkeh30-Jul-07 6:24 codemunkeh 30-Jul-07 6:24  And, depending on who it was, it shortens their lifespan too...;P Ninja (the Nerd) Confused? You will be... Re: I never turn off my PC Paul Conrad30-Jul-07 6:46 Paul Conrad 30-Jul-07 6:46  Same here, always keep all my machines going 24/7/365, barring any power outages. "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon Re: I never turn off my PC andy_fcm30-Jul-07 6:55 andy_fcm 30-Jul-07 6:55  I've heard that too. I wonder if it's true. Re: I never turn off my PC Harold Bamford30-Jul-07 8:12 Harold Bamford 30-Jul-07 8:12  A long time ago, in a monopoly far, far away (AT&T Bell Labs), there was a statistical analysis done on terminal lifetime vs. being turned off overnight. Now this is 1980's terminals (not even monitors; these were ASCII terminals with the green or orange text characters) but they had many characteristics in common with today's PCs: power supplies, PC boards, etc. The study showed that the cost of repeated repairs to these terminals greatly outweighed the cost of electricity to keep them running all the time. Again, prices are different almost 30 years later, but this is a hard data point. It is generally regarded as risky to extend statistical results to causality, but the belief (based on what was in need of repair) was that the problem was thermal shock. It loosened wires, solder joints, and PCB traces. After hundreds of such shocks, it appears that components failed. So, FWIW, thermal shock has been a measurable problem in the past on electronics. Re: I never turn off my PC bwhittington30-Jul-07 9:24 bwhittington 30-Jul-07 9:24  Thanks for giving some background info. So maybe replacement costs are no longer an issse. I will have to put into consideration. Brett A. Whittington Application Developer Re: I never turn off my PC BruceN31-Jul-07 0:52 BruceN 31-Jul-07 0:52  That's really, really interesting. I've worked as a tech for something like 15 years, on and off, and I've experienced the sudden thermal death of equipment through nothing more than turning the thing off, working on it for a while, then trying to turn it on again. 'Oh dear, it seems to have turned its toes up'. Customers howl, you scratch your head, then rip the thing apart and start hunting for crystalline solder joints or bulging capacitors. Without a microscope, or a full-on test rig, you're shall we say politely, screwed. Interesting, I say again. What about accumulated static damage - any thoughts? Re: I never turn off my PC Harold Bamford31-Jul-07 4:42 Harold Bamford 31-Jul-07 4:42  BruceN wrote: What about accumulated static damage - any thoughts? I've not heard about any studies concerning that. Seems like it would be much harder to correlate unless you were willing to deliberately subject equipment to ESD. Sounds expensive. Shutting down is not an option. PIEBALDconsult30-Jul-07 4:14 PIEBALDconsult 30-Jul-07 4:14  I shut down my home computer, but I have a couple of small databases on my office system so I can't shut it down. Plus I can now remote into it from home. On the other hand; I constructed an extension cord with a switch for ease of turning the monitors and speakers on and off. Remember; many devices use power even when they are "off". Always shut my baby down sacoskun30-Jul-07 2:43 sacoskun 30-Jul-07 2:43  My main reason is the energy saving and if you have any hesitation visit www.liveearth.org[^]. Secondly, I prefer shutting it down, when I start it on the next day it makes me feel that new fresh day is beginning with an empty desktop.(therefore no hibernation) Re: Always shut my baby down codemunkeh30-Jul-07 6:27 codemunkeh 30-Jul-07 6:27  Curious point...I always turn mine off and I don't mind waiting what, 2 minutes (max) for it to load? Even if I did call it slow, and left the dual boot menu to run until it's default, it wouldn't take that long. And if I leave it on, I can't sleep at night. The noise of the fan is ridiculous. Ninja (the Nerd) Confused? You will be... IT has confusing policy Joe Q30-Jul-07 2:10 Joe Q 30-Jul-07 2:10  I keep my PC up all the time. Our company IT published a policy to power PC's down over night...unless it needs automatic maintenance or it needs to be backed up. We were never sure when we were suppose to keep it and not. It would be nice if they would let us know when these things are suppose to happen. So mine's up. Workaholic Grimolfr30-Jul-07 1:59 Grimolfr 30-Jul-07 1:59  I never shut down my office PC because I have the ability to connect via RDC and work remotely, and I often do. I also telecommute that way some days, and it would be a real PITA to have to wait for someone to drag themselves into the office to boot up my PC on those mornings. Grim (aka Toby) MCDBA, MCSD, MCP+SB SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue IS NOT NULL (0 row(s) affected) Plug boards :) gri30-Jul-07 0:59 gri 30-Jul-07 0:59  I've a plug board for mostly everything I have ... TV, computer etc. I don't like any device that eats senseless energy while I don't need it! I always shutdown my monitor overnight .. GeoffFitzGerald29-Jul-07 23:08 GeoffFitzGerald 29-Jul-07 23:08  .. but never my computer. That's a quick and simple power saver that does not invoke the penalty of having to start-up my system and load my applications in the morning. Everyone that finds the inconvenience of a nightly shutdown too great, could at least turn off their screen. Geoff Re: I always shutdown my monitor overnight .. conor2029-Jul-07 23:57 conor20 29-Jul-07 23:57  Geoff A FitzGerald wrote: That's a quick and simple power saver.. It's not a 'power saver' if you're still leaving a computer sitting on all night doing nothing, it's just a stupid waste of energy. I guess the planet isn't going to warm itself! Re: I always shutdown my monitor overnight .. W∴ Balboos, GHB30-Jul-07 0:57 W∴ Balboos, GHB 30-Jul-07 0:57  Remarking (admittedly to excess): I was thinking of using the same strategy in other facets of life. For example, the inconvenience of flushing (and washing my hands, for that matter) after . . . On a slightly serious note (if I'm forgiven for the forgoing): Being an old timer, I like the idea of shutting down completely, clearing pointless riff-raff from memory, along with the flotsam and jetsam. As I recall, memory becomes fragmented, just as does a hard drive. Probably never significant enought to worry about, unless, of course, one allows it to accumulate indeffinitely. COnsider you "few" watts, times millions of other misguided PC owners. Why when you consider millions of users your talking about millions of watts - entire power plants dedicated to keeping nothing at all happening. "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein Re: I always shutdown my monitor overnight .. Corporal Agarn30-Jul-07 5:16 Corporal Agarn 30-Jul-07 5:16  Monitor off, reboot CPU before leaving. Then any overnight updates (virus) and access to the SQL server are available. The reboot clears the days junk. Now at home I turn off the computer to save electric and prevent hacking, not that I have anything besides diskspace to really hack. djj Re: I always shutdown my monitor overnight .. Gabriel Graves30-Jul-07 15:24 Gabriel Graves 30-Jul-07 15:24  I keep my server on always (not mine, but I'm in control of it) to server web requests. My laptop stays off while my desktop stays on (incase I need in from RDC). I never used to until I got a quad core cpu Member 9629-Jul-07 20:41 Member 96 29-Jul-07 20:41  Damn thing is HOT and uses a *lot* of energy. In fact while I'm on holidays this summer I only turn it on briefly to read email in the morning and again briefly in the evening. "I don't want more choice. I just want better things!" - Edina Monsoon Re: I never used to until I got a quad core cpu leppie29-Jul-07 23:22 leppie 29-Jul-07 23:22  What a waste Re: I never used to until I got a quad core cpu Member 9630-Jul-07 6:39 Member 96 30-Jul-07 6:39  I'm on HOLIDAYS all summer, in the fall I'll be thrashing it to within an inch of it's life once again. "I don't want more choice. I just want better things!" - Edina Monsoon

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