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I agree too and not using desktop search crap. I tried msn, google and others sometime ago and found them eating my system resources and making huge index files. I don't think desktop search technology will be useful until we get 10 GHz CPU, 4 GB/s disk access, 4 or more GB RAM. Till then it's waste of time.
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The desktop search agent must be driven by user preferences. As long as the specificiations are tangible and system security cum data integrity is not compromised, that search agent should be allowed with out any hurdles.
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Yes, it should be allowed. It needs to be secure and clear to the user though to prevent spyware.
My reason for wanting this feature is that desktop search is largely useless to me. I don't store anything permanent on my local computer anymore. All my code, documents, email, music, video, photographs etc. is stored in repositories that are elsewhere; on the LAN, on the internet, on internet connected HDs at home etc. No one provider (not Google, not Microsoft, not anyone) does a good job of searching across all these systems. Google does the best job so far though as it allows for plugins to its desktop search system.
It must be secure though and computer manufacturers had better not go installing their own, probably crap, desktop search on new PCs.
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I agree. Google Desktop Search seems to be efficient without burdening the CPU. 
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I don't care if they allow third parties to replace desktop search. It works fine for me so I'm sticking with it. The last thing I want is more crap in my system.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: The last thing I want is more crap in my system.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: The last thing I want is more crap in my system.
Well, i agree completely. Heck, that's one reason why i'm not using Vista... *bada-boom!*
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Shog9 wrote: Well, i agree completely. Heck, that's one reason why i'm not using Vista...
Actually, Vista's really quite good. And because so much crap doesn't run on it yet my system runs really nicely at the moment. I was, however, disappointed to find that Adobe Acrobat runs on it.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Actually, Vista's really quite good.
I was... mostly joking. 
Colin Angus Mackay wrote: And because so much crap doesn't run on it yet my system runs really nicely at the moment.
Well, there's where the joke bites down hard. See, by far the worst software i'll allow to be installed on any of my systems are the hardware drivers, and of these, drivers for HP products are consistently the worst. So yes, the test install of Vista on my desktop is considerably less crap-infested than usual, but at the expense of not being able to use the HP scanner. And the Vista laptop my wife uses only recently became able to print to the network-shared HP printer... at which point, it began to suffer the sorts of subtle problems that generally accompany software that talks to HP drivers (random crashes mostly).
So yeah, that aspect won't last. 
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Isn't that the danged truth?
I'm still using XP, and still do all my searches the old-fashioned way. I never install any of those third-party toolbars or search products, even if they're by Google. I prefer to use Windows search for my PC file system and Google or Yahoo (through their homepages) for web searches.
All in all it's just one fewer installed program I have to manage; I'm just too lazy to keep everything running at the latest version. 
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Sentinel_13 wrote: I'm still using XP, and still do all my searches the old-fashioned way
Since installing Copernic desktop search I almost never do searches the old-fashioned way. It's just far too slow.
Sentinel_13 wrote: I never install any of those third-party toolbars or search products, even if they're by Google
The only toolbar I use is Google, simply because the extra features of the toolbar are (for me) invaluable.
Sentinel_13 wrote: I'm just too lazy to keep everything running at the latest version
The Google toolbar auto-updates so your laziness doesn't matter.
Kevin
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The question is whether you should have a choice to use a 3rd party search provider, not that you MUST allow 3rd party software onto your system
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I know I voted yes. But at the end of the day I don't really care since I run Debian/GNU.
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I know Google is phoning home lately, so I don't think it's a good idea to have google search through my data. And for the rest, Windows Search works, so why should I use a different search engine?
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WillemM wrote: I know Google is phoning home lately
You mean like the way Windows Media Player does?
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yes, exactly 
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ed welch wrote: WillemM wrote:
I know Google is phoning home lately
You mean like the way Windows Media Player does?
don't forget the genuine advantage thing too...
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No problem, it is your decision. But others peoples should make another decision. I shurely will try google search to compare it with the MS stuff. The web search of Google is better than the MS search, I try both sometimes to check.
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I totally agree, it's a matter of choice.
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Disclaimer: I don't use Vista.
Ok, so i'm not a huge fan of companies attempting to legislate or sue their way onto my computer... but yeah, this is something that ought to be flexible. I mean, i've been trying and subsequently disabling Microsoft's various desktop indexing attempts for years now, and while they've gotten better, as of last December WDS still had a nasty habit of kicking in several minutes after i'd started a "rebuild all"... this is the kind of software you really do want to have the option of swapping out.
Maybe Vista's search is fast, and intelligent about resource usage, and when eventually i start using it i'll never go back... but just in case it's not, i'd love to have that choice.
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In my experience, nothing in Vista is intelligent about resource usage.
Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of things I like fine about Vista, but the resource usage is just ... FUBAR.
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Shog9 wrote: as of last December WDS still had a nasty habit of kicking in several minutes after i'd started a "rebuild all"...
Does it not have the option to pause indexing?
For example, I have Copernic desktop search. It suspends indexing when it other applications are active. However, it can still index while you're installing software, especially with an apparently frozen progress bar. In that case I just manually suspend indexing.
Kevin
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Kevin McFarlane wrote: Does it not have the option to pause indexing?
It does, but... that's not the sort of app i really have the patience to be hand-holding.
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I should add however that in your scenario of a rebuild I've not noticed any interference from indexing. Could be that CDS is more resource efficient?
Kevin
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Kevin McFarlane wrote: Could be that CDS is more resource efficient?
That's quite possible.
Also, I use a laptop with a rather slow harddrive - which makes unnecessary disk activity really hurt. I can't tolerate virus scanners running while i work either, for the same reason.
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