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Re: Security is overrated ColinDavies9-Jun-02 11:24 ColinDavies 9-Jun-02 11:24  Jim I keep a simple text file on my PC that has been encrypted by one password using a simple app. The text file contains all my accounts, Usernames/IDs and Passwords/ that I use. Darn boring but it works, All I have to remember is One Master Password and I have Access to the rest. "Maybe I should make a proper App that does this" Because I find it so darn useful. Regardz Colin J Davies Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin More about me Re: Security is overrated Kevin Stewart9-Jun-02 11:43 Kevin Stewart 9-Jun-02 11:43  There are actually a ton of password managers available for free that do this (even though I'm about to write one in C# just for the hell of it.) Search for "password managers" on Google and pick the one you like. Kevin Re: Security is overrated ColinDavies9-Jun-02 11:50 ColinDavies 9-Jun-02 11:50  I should have guessed they were already available. Regardz Colin J Davies Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin More about me Re: Security is overrated Rutger Ellen10-Jun-02 3:44 Rutger Ellen 10-Jun-02 3:44  Kevin Stewart wrote: There are actually a ton of password managers available for free that do this (even though I'm about to write one in C# just for the hell of it.) Search for "password managers" on Google and pick the one you like. Maybe they have a backdoor That would be a good reason to write one yourself Re: Security is overrated peterchen9-Jun-02 11:51 peterchen 9-Jun-02 11:51  Many web sites don't seem to require an account not dor security, but for acquiring your e-mail address... It's hard to scratch your ass when you sit on it.   [sighist] I miss... Daniel 'Tak' M.9-Jun-02 9:10 Daniel 'Tak' M. 9-Jun-02 9:10  "None - we just don't care" Access. ColinDavies8-Jun-02 18:33 ColinDavies 8-Jun-02 18:33  Most real security is real security not code. Like leaving passwords lying arround, easy passwords, File size checks. Logs etc. Regardz Colin J Davies Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin More about me Re: Access. Shog98-Jun-02 18:38 Shog9 8-Jun-02 18:38  I'm always amazed by how easily people will tell you their passwords. It's just not something that's taken seriously in a good many cases. -------- A common man's understanding of science. Not a normal common man's of course. A very smart common man's. -- Nish, on Science Writing Re: Access. ColinDavies8-Jun-02 19:40 ColinDavies 8-Jun-02 19:40  ring ring .. "Hello I'm John CrazyHorse from the special security detail can I check your details for an investigation we are doing for your employer." Actually hacking a network from the outside is quite difficult in comparisson. I know a lot of IT departments spend small fortunes on techo stuff, when they should be training employees on the basics. Regardz Colin J Davies Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin More about me Re: Access. SimonS9-Jun-02 4:06 SimonS 9-Jun-02 4:06  Colin Davies wrote: when they should be training employees on the basics You mean the infamous don't be dumb course? Cheers, Simon "Every good work of software starts by scratching a developer's personal itch.", Eric S. Raymond Re: Access. ColinDavies9-Jun-02 11:29 ColinDavies 9-Jun-02 11:29  SimonS wrote: You mean the infamous don't be dumb course? Very Similar. I think thats the idea. I'm often amazed by say a secratary who has used MS-Word for several years but can't send an email. Regardz Colin J Davies Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin More about me Re: Access. jkgh12-Jun-02 11:33 jkgh 12-Jun-02 11:33  Or just take their post-it note pad away from them.. Alice thought that running very fast for a long time would get you to somewhere else. " A very slow kind of country!" said the queen. "Now, here , you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place". Re: Access. Philip Patrick12-Jun-02 5:48 Philip Patrick 12-Jun-02 5:48  So, errr... what is your password, I forgot? Philip Patrick Web-site: www.stpworks.com "Two beer or not two beer?" Shakesbeer Need Web-based database administrator? You already have it! Re: Access. jkgh12-Jun-02 11:36 jkgh 12-Jun-02 11:36  I have a problems with use of the high security password setup - trying to remember "45lkjfr8o7fw8o734iHoUUufriufds87r4" as my password is a little more than difficult. Stopping people using password01, password02, password03, password04 etc is reasonable. Alice thought that running very fast for a long time would get you to somewhere else. " A very slow kind of country!" said the queen. "Now, here , you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place". Re: Access. peterchen9-Jun-02 2:22 peterchen 9-Jun-02 2:22  yup, the user is the weakest link. But why shouldn't they? They are asked to use passwords they can't possibly remember, to use different passwords everywhere, to have them handy any time they might need it, but don't have them jotted down under their keyboard? Sounds silly. It's hard to scratch your ass when you sit on it.   [sighist] Re: Access. Shog99-Jun-02 4:38 Shog9 9-Jun-02 4:38  Those are very good points. I would add also poor network management and limitations of certain popular operating systems. Consider the likelyhood that, within a group of workers, each will occasionally need access to the others' machines: Ideally, they would log on under their own names, using their own passwords, and be restricted from accessing files the machine's owner considers private. A machine on the network should be no more and no less safe than a machine not on the network. In reality, the users would probably end up either needing an account on each machine, or learning each other's passwords. Consider which one is quicker to accomplish. peterchen wrote: [sighist] Nice! -------- A common man's understanding of science. Not a normal common man's of course. A very smart common man's. -- Nish, on Science Writing Re: Access. Jack Handy10-Jun-02 0:34 Jack Handy 10-Jun-02 0:34  Shog9 wrote: In reality, the users would probably end up either needing an account on each machine, or learning each other's passwords. Consider which one is quicker to accomplish. So someone needs to invent a keyboard which will detect your fingerprints while you type and if you are not the right person it will send many volts of electricity through your fingertips. -Jack To an optimist the glass is half full. To a pessimist the glass is half empty. To a programmer the glass is twice as big as it needs to be. Re: Access. DRHuff11-Jun-02 9:18 DRHuff 11-Jun-02 9:18  Ahhh Star Trek... with the famous 20000V exploding keyboards! I love those - gotta get me one. Dave Huff Igor would you give me a hand with the bags? Certainly - you take the blonde and I'll take the one in the turban! Re: Access. ColinDavies9-Jun-02 10:39 ColinDavies 9-Jun-02 10:39  When you put it like that, it sounds hard for users. Maybe something should be changed. Regardz Colin J Davies Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin More about me Re: Access. 9-Jun-02 16:41 9-Jun-02 16:41  Smart cards are a good idea.. but then again, they can be stolen, lost, left behind, etc. But c'mon guys, security, privacy, who needs them anyways? Re: Access. Matt Gullett9-Jun-02 10:02 Matt Gullett 9-Jun-02 10:02  I tend to agree, but when security is needed in an app it is often not a matter of passwords/permissions, it is a need for auditing what users do. Most apps I have seen do no user auditing at all. Can't believe.... Nemanja Trifunovic8-Jun-02 18:05 Nemanja Trifunovic 8-Jun-02 18:05  I was the first one I vote pro drink Re: Can't believe.... Rama Krishna Vavilala9-Jun-02 4:30 Rama Krishna Vavilala 9-Jun-02 4:30  I think Nish's disease is spreading rapidly Re: Can't believe.... Paul Watson10-Jun-02 0:42 Paul Watson 10-Jun-02 0:42  Rama Krishna wrote: I think Nish's disease is spreading rapidly Care to team up for a neutraliser virus? I am thinking along the lines of shock treatment, i.e. black listing Victims on worldwide ISPs or an EMP blast in and around their computer equipment. Of course you were second to post... wOOt! Well done, have a noddy badge. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge Tim Smith wrote: Over here in the third world of humor (a.k.a. BBC America), peterchen wrote: We should petition microsoft to a "target=_Paul" attribute. Re: Can't believe.... jkgh12-Jun-02 11:40 jkgh 12-Jun-02 11:40  Try the UK MMR jab - that tends to neutralise lots (allegedly). Sorry guys it's been on my mind recently. Alice thought that running very fast for a long time would get you to somewhere else. " A very slow kind of country!" said the queen. "Now, here , you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place".

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