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I agree that Vista is the best windows out there. Although there's still room for improvement. For example, UAC isn't all that _yet_. I think this is mainly because not all applications can work correctly with UAC. Let's hope that's going to change in the next coming months
WM.
What about weapons of mass-construction?
"What? Its an Apple MacBook Pro. They are sexy!" - Paul Watson
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I like your last point and it's how I feel regarding the previous hardware reply in this particular thread. XP was out there, what, 6-7 years before Vista? Vista should be seen as a platform for many years. Hardware will catch up and surpass Vista and we won't be talking about the "experience-gap" between Basic and Premium/Ultimate. The Windows User Experience Index I believe is a good example. There is a known, current highest rating of, I believe 6 based on available hardware. As new hardware becomes available, the Index range will adjust accordingly.
UAC on the other hand is a paradigm and, I agree, it needs work, but those things take time. No one shipped the most usable hardware the first time. We'll see. I like Vista, I also like Ubuntu, and there's nothing wrong with a MAC, though I can't make my way around MAC like I can the previous two. I think we'll see some pretty cool things with the not-up-to-par-but-media-hyped Linux home distros creating a challenge.
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Windows Vista is in not at all what I had expected.
First of, their's actually some bugs in the UI that are kind of annoying, for example whenever I'm going to open a video clip and the explorer shell is trying to generate a thumbnail for the move, I get Com Surrogate Errors all the time, not that critical is the eye of a user, but it's damn annoying.
Then theirs some other minor bugs in the actual UI that I don't even care to discuss :P
Second off, the entire GUI is actually extremely boring and it's not in any way any "WoW" feeling in it. It's just something that is, nothing more, nothing less.
The main reason for me not to use Vista is all the extreme security  OR NOT. It's just damn annoying to get all the questions for any operation, I mean, I can't even copy a text file without being prompted with this silly questions. IF I turn it of, well it's ok. but the I probably will lose some safety feature that's actually good, how knows 
Well, except for that it's actually working fairly well for being a completely new OS from M$.
But for you lucky people that don't need to upgrade, DON'T UPGRADE. Stick with WinXP if you need Windows. Otherwise, use OS X or any Linux dist that may fit your needs.
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I use it at home and love it (ultimate x64). I wouldn't switch to it at work (which is completely opposite of what I originally planned) because of its lack of support for visual studio. 2005 runs like crap and < 2005 doesn't run at all. maybe orcas will work better (hope so).
* mixed on the install. the install was one of the most painless I've ever had. the bad part was that there was **no** upgrade in my case (going from xp x64 to vista had no upgrade option), but the transfer app that comes w/ the install was pretty cool.
* the best thing about UAC is that you can turn it off (uac = stupid and unnecessary IMO).
* its a pain trying to figure out where things are now (déjà vu of the 3.1 -> 95 switch)
* love the glass l/f
* love the thumbnail previews when you hover the task bar button.
* love how fast it runs (boots in a fraction of the time XP did / does)!
* while idle the memory will run up to 75% usage (and I have 4 gigs), until I launch some memory intensive app, then the reported usage dramatically drops.
* love the OS reporting features
* love the new task monitor (**cough** sysinternals **cough**)
* search sucks a big one (used up 90% of my cpu and not just while it was idle... google has a much nicer footprint)
* hate that winfs didnt make it into vista
* love the parental controls (games, available sites & so on) wonderful idea w/ lots of growing room
* nvidia's drivers suck (no sli support for my 7800GTX cards yet), so not much hard core gaming
just wish that more companies would give some thought to vista support (there are no twain drivers for my printer / scanner that I bought last year).
I've heard more negative than positive things about vista, but haven't really had any true problems with it myself. atleast none that have to do with vista itself (just 3rd party support is lacking like it was for 95 when it first came out).
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MadHatter ¢ wrote: because of its lack of support for visual studio 2005
I'm curious, what is this lack of support? I ask because we have been using 64-bit Vista and VS 2005 as our primary development platform since November '06 and haven't run into any major problems yet. In fact, after the initial few days of getting everything configured it has been just as smooth as it was with XP x64. 
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vs 2005 never has any problems in xp for me here at work, but always have visual artifacts at home.
here's the official list: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/aa948853.aspx
entire panels will be drawn gray and will remain so unless I mouse over it, or minimize and restore it. splitters disappear and tabs / panels are drawn in the wrong spots at various times. nothing that keeps me from working at home, just annoying things like that.
I've got a co-worker that sits right by me that runs vista and is always cursing vista for some reason.
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I don't see any of those issues day-to-day and going by the official list I ought to see a handfull. Particularly with regards to visual artifacts because I would be the first guy in the group to complain about any of those.
I am aware that the drawing problems happen (I've heard about them in the Lounge here on CP), but I have never seen or heard of them first hand.
Have you installed the final VS2005 SP1 for Vista? How about the latest certified nVidia drivers? (Although having said that, our machines here are probably 50/50 ATI and nVidia -- the ATI ones BSOD from time to time but I haven't heard of any problems with VS2005 specifically.)
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David Wulff wrote: Have you installed the final VS2005 SP1 for Vista? How about the latest certified nVidia drivers?
yea, I installed the patch, and am running the latest video drivers (wish they'd release the beta driver that has sli support).
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Thanks for the link and your comments. I found the “…for Windows Vista FAQ” interesting in one regard; when ask if your old application will run on Vista, they just talk about .Net framework support and say nothing about all the application that do not use .Net.
INTP
"Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence."Edsger Dijkstra
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wow, thanks for rating my post everybody (I fail to see whats so bad about my thoughts on the OS).
guess nobody has their own opinions of the operation system, but is quick to judge my opinions...
thanks a-holes, thats so nice of you!
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I have absoulutely no problem what so ever running either version of Visual Studio. 2005 or 2003. The only one I have a problem with is Orcas.
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robertw019 wrote: The only one I have a problem with is Orcas.
well crap! all my hopes have been dashed 
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actually the problem is the lastest build's installer, not actually the program
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This is the first weekly poll I have been unable to respond to! Grrr! I have no Vista, can't see any justification for buying it, and couldn't afford it if I did. There is nothing compelling in it that I've seen anywhere, and nothing can justify the outrageous cost. I won't be getting a chance to use it until my computer self destructs and I'm forced to buy a new one.
I hate missing my Monday morning poll...
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
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Roger Wright wrote: I hate missing my Monday morning poll...
Tell me about it. My wife's been using it, but i just can't. I'm almost tempted to start a tangent thread on how the roadsigns advertising scenic pull-offs are all tagged Vista in CA...
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It appears that everybody is under the impression that I approve of the documentation. You probably also blame Ken Burns for supporting slavery.
--Raymond Chen on MSDN
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Funny – that’s how I ended up buying may last two systems; the previous two self destructed. I hope that Vista has better industry support, etcetera, before I am forced to use it. I expect it will be a major investment, because I believe many of my tools will need to be updated or replaced. I hate it when a new OS makes perfectly good software obsolete.
INTP
"Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence."Edsger Dijkstra
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I'd send you a legal copy of Vista but I just couldn't; I consider you a friend.
regards,
Paul Watson
Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote: And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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Thanks, Paul!
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
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Paul Watson wrote: I'd send you a legal copy of Vista but I just couldn't; I consider you a friend.
Would you please consider me a friend either?
//This is not a signature
while (I'm_alive) {
cout<<"I Love Programming";
}
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Maybe you are right =)
Anyway, not is this poll a bit OT ??
This is a developer site, and the poll dont said nothing about the WinVista API only the external features, so if we talk about external features so Beryl is a good candidate for fight with it.
From the developer perspective of course that the Win plataform is still better, but MONO is getting better and better.
Cheers
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Marcos Meli wrote: Anyway, not is this poll a bit OT ??
No. CP is all about Windows technologies.
Marcos Meli wrote: This is a developer site, and the poll dont said nothing about the WinVista API only the external features, so if we talk about external features so Beryl is a good candidate for fight with it.
The new UI is just a tiny part of the new features in Vista, so beryl can be compared only to Avalon.
Marcos Meli wrote: MONO is getting better and better
.NET is just a framework. Windows (and many other MS products) provide an incredibly complete and consistent application platform, that allow you to develop any kind of product with a pretty small set of integrated tools.
Does Mono (and any other Linux-related technology) provide such an advanced platform? I think not.
BTW, this is the problem of Linux: inconsistency and fragmentation. But we're really OT now.
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Dario Solera wrote: No. CP is all about Windows technologies.
Did you check the upper left banner or the categories, this is clearly a developers site.
Dario Solera wrote: The new UI is just a tiny part of the new features in Vista, so beryl can be compared only to Avalon.
I agree here with you, and beryl can only compete in 3 of the poll points: the GUI, the Usability and the Sidebar
Dario Solera wrote: Marcos Meli wrote:
MONO is getting better and better
.NET is just a framework. Windows (and many other MS products) provide an incredibly complete and consistent application platform, that allow you to develop any kind of product with a pretty small set of integrated tools.
Does Mono (and any other Linux-related technology) provide such an advanced platform? I think not.
BTW, this is the problem of Linux: inconsistency and fragmentation. But we're really OT now.
You are right we are going completely off topic, but is the spirit of the site to discuss about what we think, I think that we target the OS via an API, now mostly of us are using .NET to do so, i.e. we consume the OS features via the .NET API and I know of a lot of Apps that the .NET binary compiled in windows run on linux (if the app dont use Win32 calls)
So I think that MONO is helping to fill the gap in the Linux dev world.
And the last thing:
Dario Solera wrote: BTW, this is the problem of Linux: inconsistency and fragmentation. But we're really OT now
I was thinking that for years, but now I see a bit clear the inconsistency and fragmentation is the bad schedule, performance and promises that we hear from M$ they said:
"We will build a completely managed OS"
"We will create a OS with a new FS"
"Our operation system will be hard to crack"
"Our operation system will the most secure in the world"
So where is the inconsistency ??
Sorry for talk in that way, I´m a bit bad in english, and I hate Vista so so much that I cant resist to post that.. sorry.
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Marcos Meli wrote: Did you check the upper left banner
did YOU???
THE CODE PROJECT TM
Your Visual Studio (r) and
.Net Resource
In otherwords... Microsoft Development. Yes, others are here as "side development issues", though you are likely to loose even the OT and non-MS discussions if you advertise in the MS discussions. I am cross-platform, but I don't bring the Linux discussions here, only the Windows discussions. I take the Linux discussions where they will do me the most good for my project -- as apposed to taking the discussion where you will just make everyone annoyed at you.
There is a can of RAID around here somewhere.... hmmmmm
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Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau.
Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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