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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz5-Feb-07 12:23

TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

5-Feb-07 12:23

Tom Watson wrote:
Why hire an older guy for more money and is more likely to take time off? Perhaps for guidance and experience, but you only need so many of those.

that's called "age-ism" and as such is illegal discrimination.

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Re: Microsoft [modified]

Jim Crafton7-Feb-07 3:39

Jim Crafton

7-Feb-07 3:39

Tom Watson wrote:
Why hire an older guy for more money and is more likely to take time off?

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~~Wow, coming from you this seems a bit of a surprise!~~ Oops I thought you were Tom Archer, sorry!
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Because the "old guy", more often than not, works smarter, more efficiently, and accomplishes more than the young buck that just bangs his head against the machine for hours on end. To my mind, there's almost no excuse for regularly expecting 80 hour work weeks from your developers. If you do, it's probably got more to do with poor management than anything else.

-- modified at 10:37 Wednesday 7th February, 2007

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James Brown11-Feb-07 9:59

James Brown

11-Feb-07 9:59

I've heard the same. 'Slave to the corporation' is what was said in fact. lol

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Nemanja Trifunovic6-Feb-07 1:46

Nemanja Trifunovic

6-Feb-07 1:46

Gary Wheeler wrote:
From what I understand, the corporate culture leans very heavily toward young, single engineers with no lives and no problems with working 60, 70, and even 80 hour work weeks on a regular basis.

I know several people who work for MS, and none of them fit the profile you describe. AFAIK, it really depends on the team they work in; MS is organized more as a federation of little companies than a big monolithic one.

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David Cunningham7-Feb-07 12:09

David Cunningham

7-Feb-07 12:09

Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
AFAIK, it really depends on the team they work in

I know many, many folks at MS and I agree it depends on which team they are on. FWIW, I think Microsoft has a great work environment and the overwhelming majority of them seem to love the work the do.

David

Nish Nishant8-Feb-07 8:59

Nish Nishant

8-Feb-07 8:59

Hey Dave,

Won't Troy be annoyed that you didn't put Dundas as an option? Roll eyes | :rolleyes:

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Hamed Musavi5-Feb-07 17:07

Hamed Musavi

5-Feb-07 17:07

Me too.
I know it is impossible to me (I'm living in Iran), but sometimes I wish I could.

Working for a company with a main job on software(Not web site). How many companies can start a project like Vista?

Just imagine for a second that you were contributing in one of those very important softwares that Microsoft provides...

I guess working in IBM or Google might be great, as well.
Regardless of the competition between these companies, they are all very big and good at their works.

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Jim Crafton7-Feb-07 3:41

Jim Crafton

7-Feb-07 3:41

Hamed Mosavi wrote:
they are all very big and good at their works.

Well that's what they want you to think, at any rate Smile | :)

I think you might be a little surprised at what actually goes on there if you got a chance to see how things work internally, particularly at Microsoft or IBM.

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PIEBALDconsult5-Feb-07 4:12

PIEBALDconsult

5-Feb-07 4:12

Like spell checkers?

Re: benifits?

S Douglas5-Feb-07 21:17

S Douglas

5-Feb-07 21:17

PIEBALDconsult wrote:
Like spell checkers?

He's working on it > Re: Innapropriate[^]

Chris Maunder wrote:
Me right rool good wun day

I'd love to help, but unfortunatley I have prior commitments monitoring the length of my grass. :Andrew Bleakley:

None of the above

Grimolfr5-Feb-07 0:47

Grimolfr

5-Feb-07 0:47

Why was this option left out? Why is this option always left out, when almost every week, someone asks why this option was left out?

For the most part, I'm with Mr. Welch as to the main reason he chose his own company. I'm just not interested in any of those places. But I'm also not exactly thrilled with where I work now, and I know I don't have the (non-technical) skills and contacts necessary to actually start my own company.

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Hamed Musavi5-Feb-07 3:06

Hamed Musavi

5-Feb-07 3:06

Perhaps the pole suggester, suggested other opthions like:
[] Anywhere in Silicon valley
[] Where I am working right now
[] anywhere else but not where I'm working now
[] I prefer not to work(!)

Wink | ;)

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56789012345-Feb-07 3:13

5678901234

5-Feb-07 3:13

Do you think that every CodeProject survey must contain "None of the above" option?
[ ] Yes
[ ] No
[ ] None of the above

PIEBALDconsult5-Feb-07 4:06

PIEBALDconsult

5-Feb-07 4:06

That's why "Other" is there.

W∴ Balboos, GHB6-Feb-07 8:07

W∴ Balboos, GHB

6-Feb-07 8:07

You should be less limiting in the possibilites.
Think outside the enum, so to speak

Something more akin to:

[1] Yes
[2] No
[3] [1] & [2]
[4] [1] | [2]
[5] [1] ^ [2]
[6] [3] | [4] & ![5]
[7] return;

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Multiple choices

Sarvesvara (BVKS) Dasa4-Feb-07 23:41

Sarvesvara (BVKS) Dasa

4-Feb-07 23:41

Why now multiple choice answers?

"He that is good with a hammer tends to think everything is a nail."
- Abraham Maslow

my own company

ed welch4-Feb-07 23:24

ed welch

4-Feb-07 23:24

all those companies mentioned are located in places where I don't want to live Wink | ;)

Paul Watson5-Feb-07 0:59

Paul Watson

5-Feb-07 0:59

Where do you want to live? Most of those companies have multiple locations around the world.

regards,
Paul Watson
Ireland & South Africa

Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...

ed welch5-Feb-07 2:06

ed welch

5-Feb-07 2:06

Not in a big city anyway... so that eliminates most

Paul Watson5-Feb-07 2:15

Paul Watson

5-Feb-07 2:15

True. Though Microsoft and Google have development offices in Dublin here in Ireland. Not sure if you would count Dublin as a big city or not. I wouldn't.

Intel has a plant out near Cork and AFAIK it is outside of Cork city. Nice rural setting.

regards,
Paul Watson
Ireland & South Africa

Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...

Elrond5-Feb-07 3:34

Elrond

5-Feb-07 3:34

Intel also have a plant near Dublin that is ... well, near Dublin, and not in Dublin ! Wink | ;)

ed welch5-Feb-07 21:15

ed welch

5-Feb-07 21:15

Any city that takes more than an hour to get from a to b is a big city for me