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LOL. Yes. I suppose we can be a bit of a kill joy at times 
Michael 
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Judging by the replies, there seem to have been a few of us thinking along the same lines. I must admit that the advertising problem is what put me off the idea. The only way I could see it working and CP still make money is to charge for access to the XML feed.
Michael 
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Was going to ask that. Then I read your post. So I won't post it
"Isn't that the "write once, debug everywhere" language?" Tom Archer on Java...
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Damnit Paul! You turn off that telepathic vampire tap you have in my brain right now!!!
Seriously though, I have been kicking around an idea along these lines myself for the past few weeks. I came up with the same problem Michael did and I sort of filed the whole idea for later consideration because I couldn't see a way around it.
Since there isn't really any way for the feed to force or verify the display of the ads, we would probably need some form of identification handshake. Optimally we would want a way for the app to identify itself to CP and make sure only CP's version of the app could access the feed. Then we could be sure that that app would display the ads.
Heck if I know how to do that without some serious research. :shrug:
Jason Jystad
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If ads are being displayed on a client, how does CP track the ad views and the ad click throughs?
The second one is trivial - assuming that the client would actually make displayed ads clickable. The first one could require a bit of thinking.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
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Actually wouldn't you just do it the same way clickthrough.net and them do it?
Serve the ads centrally and log each ad request on the central server. Have the hyperlinks for the ads bounce through the central server before heading to the appropriate sponsor. Log all the pass-through traffic.
The issue I see with this is that there would have to be some sort of protection on the "ad feed" in the same way as the XML feed. Otherwise you couldn't guarantee the accuracy of your statictics.
Jason Jystad
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Pretty much my thoughts too - as long as ads were not cached, or if they were, the ad server is advised that a cached ad is being redisplayed.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
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Yeah, that sounds about right. I was figuring that the app would cache ads locally and then only "phone home" when it rotated the ad to a new one. It should probably check for newer versions of existing cached ads at tha same time also. That way the newest ads are always shown, but the bandwidth usage is minimized.
This kind of approach also keeps it possible to work out an "offline mode" like the news readers. Helpful for dial up people and travellers.
BTW did you catch my newest suggestion yet? It is the main one I mentioned before. It is up above. (Or are you trying to figure out how to gently tell me no? )
Jason Jystad
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Pretty much my thoughts too - as long as ads were not cached, or if they were, the ad server is advised that a cached ad is being redisplayed.
*sigh* and all I wanted was an XML feed so that I can play around with some code and make a cool app for CPians. All this real world stuff just, well to be corse, sucks.
regards,
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa
The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge
Tim Smith wrote:
Over here in the third world of humor (a.k.a. BBC America),
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I know, I derail my own ideas all the time. *sigh*
Jason Jystad
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Hello Chris/Dave C
I just changed my nick and was happy to find that I didn't lose my posts and articles. But I noticed that in the demographics page I suddenly disappeared out of the popular authors list. I assume this is because that list is based on article nicks and since all my articles still show my old nick, they didn't count in this statistic.
And anyway even forgetting about the popular articles statistic, I still feel that if an author changes his nick, then his articles should show the new nick. This will automatically take care of the popular authors statistic bug as well.
Warm regards,
Regards,
Nish
Native CPian.
Born and brought up on CP.
With the CP blood in him.
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Nish - Native CPian wrote:
Native CPian.
Born and brought up on CP.
Hello Mr. Nish. Can I ask how old are you now?
Mazy
"The more I search, the more my need
For you,
The more I bless, the more I bleed
For you."The Outlaw Torn-Metallica
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Mazdak wrote:
Hello Mr. Nish. Can I ask how old are you now?
My age as a human is 24 years, but my cosmic age is indeterminate. Part of my life was in non-time and thus has no measure.
Nish
Regards,
Nish
Native CPian.
Born and brought up on CP.
With the CP blood in him.
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Nish - Native CPian wrote:
Part of my life was in non-time
Non-time? Is that what the rest of us call "The working day" 
Michael
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Michael P Butler wrote:
Is that what the rest of us call "The working day"
Hmmmm. Trying to say that I don;t work during work-hours eh?
Nish
Regards,
Nish
Native CPian.
Born and brought up on CP.
With the CP blood in him.
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Hey Chris,
I have a suggestion for the emoticons.asp page.
How about adding JavaScript to allow IE users to copy the emoticons to their clipboard by clicking on the text or the graphic of the desired emoticon?
I saved a copy of the html output of the page and added the code I am talking about. I posted it on my domain so you could see what I mean. Link [new window]
Just a thought, I would find it really useful when modifying messages.
Jason Jystad
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Here is the Javascript function that does the work:
<SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript">
function ClipBoard(TextToCopy) {
TextBuffer.innerText = TextToCopy.innerText;
CopiedText = TextBuffer.createTextRange();
CopiedText.execCommand("Copy");
}
</SCRIPT>
This has to be in the body somewhere to act as a buffer:
<INPUT type="hidden" ID="TextBuffer" STYLE="display:none;">
This is what I did to the text of the first emoticon:
<SPAN ID="Emoticon1" onclick="ClipBoard(this);">{smiley text here}</SPAN>
This is what I did to the img tag of the first emoticon:
<IMG src="smiley_smile.gif" align=absMiddle onclick="CopyToClipBoard(Emoticon1);" border=0>
Jason Jystad
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Nice
Nish
Regards,
Nish
Native CPian.
Born and brought up on CP.
With the CP blood in him.
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Thanks Nish.
If you liked that, you'll probably love the next bit.
(I am posting another suggestion in just a second.)
<edit>
Actually, I changed my mind. I do have another suggestion, but it is getting late here and I am going to go home and sleep on it. I have it working, but I think I can make it snazzier looking if I am not so tired. So I will post it tomorrow sometime instead.
</edit>
Jason Jystad
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Thanks Carlos.
It is good to get some positive feedback. I so rarely get any at work. 
Actually David has it right below, the emoticons should really be inserted into the textarea in the parent window.
Jason Jystad
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I'll wait and see what suggestion #2 is before I do anything 
cheers,
Chris Maunder
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Suggestion #2 should (IMHO) be to have them inserted automatically. If you use a window.open() to open up the page of smilies, then just like you have the smilies at the bottom of the reply box inserting their own code, you can use window.opener.document dot blah blah and have the ones in the other window do it.
Of course, you probably already know that, but still :P
--
David Wengier
Sonork ID: 100.14177 - Ch00k
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That was what I would have done, but I didn't have the time to figure out how Chris was opening the window.
Actually suggestion #1 was just something that occured to me while I was working on suggestion #2. You are absolutely correct, that would definitely be the way to do it David.
Jason Jystad
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I understand.
Actually suggestion #2 has very little to do with the emoticons. Suggestion #1 was really just something that occured to me while working on suggestion #2. I do have a #3 that occured to me last night while I was sleeping on suggestion #2. Hmm, this is getting confusing... maybe I should start using code names.
I talked to nish last night before I went home and he had a couple of ideas about the primary suggestion I am working on. This got me thinking about things and I came up with a couple of additions. I am going to finish nish's suggestions and the new ideas before I post it. I'll get it up sometime today.
Jason Jystad
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