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The Grand Negus wrote: The site is in danger of becoming nothing but a bunch of "inbred" Microsoft drones
I can't see that happening. Take me as an example: Sure I use .NET, I work for a Microsoft Gold Partner, in work I've ditched NUnit, NCover, etc. for the tools built in to Visual Studio Team System.
However, I still use NUnit (out of work), Rhino mocks (because MS don't have a mock framework solution), SQLite, FireFox, I intermittently try out a Linux distro, I arrange developer events and some of them are not even MS oriented (Scottish Developers have had speakers from the Oracle and Java communities and a lot of the agile stuff is happening in Java)
A lot of people here work mainly with MS products - but not exclusively because they have to interact with non-MS products. That adds richness and diversity. It also means that we won't end up with the kind of constant zealotry found on Slashdot.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: because they have to interact with non-MS products.
But not for long, if Microsoft gets its way. And deprecating the Java forum here is one more step toward granting Microsoft its wish. Take enough little steps and suddenly you're there.
Colin Angus Mackay wrote: That adds richness and diversity.
Wouldn't a couple of Fortran Fanatics do the same thing? Perhaps even a Plain English proponent or two...
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The Grand Negus wrote: Fortran
Now that is a language I haven't programmed in for a very long time 
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The Grand Negus wrote: Wouldn't a couple of Fortran Fanatics do the same thing? Perhaps even a Plain English proponent or two...
What we need is a Magik zealot - It was a wonderful language. It had in 1988 things the are only just about to arrive in CLR 3.0! It was written by a post-doctoral graduate from Cambridge University called Arthur. The only other person in the entire world that could actually understand this guy was his girlfriend and the then CEO of a company called Smallworld. They managed to dumb down his ideas so it could be explained to the world.
Wonderful language - we should make it mandatory. I'm actually leanring how to make a compiler to the CLR so that we can have Magik .NET (Actually, no it was for other reasons, but a Majik.NET would be also be cool).
One of the coolest things about Magik was that it didn't have Boolean logic. The result of an expression could be true, false or maybe. (It also had the extreme case where the result could be "no_way" where not "no_way" would also be "no_way") Absolute genius!
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WTF? I never even noticed that there wasn't a Java forum... maybe that's why it died... having nothing to do with anyone's "agenda"... it was simply lack of interest. I simply love the way that MS makes the Ford Taurus of software and people complain that they have some kind of agenda other than making money.
"Quality Software since 1983!" http://www.smoothjazzy.com/ - see the "Programming" section for (freeware) JazzySiteMaps, a simple application to generate .Net and Google-style sitemaps!
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The Grand Negus wrote: You're whole site literally screams
Please look up "your" and "literally." A web site cannot "literally scream."
The Grand Negus wrote: The stature and influence that God...
Ah, ha. I was wondering what product you were pedaling. I guess it is your religion.
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Matt Gerrans wrote: Please look up "your" and "literally." A web site cannot "literally scream."
My, my, my, I wonder how his Plain English Compiler compiles that code 
As far as a website screaming, it can all it wants, my speakers to this computer are unplugged :->
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Matt Gerrans wrote: A web site cannot "literally scream."
I always found the statement by that crazy mother after her 10 year old son watched that programme where Janet Jackson had that "wardrobe malfunction". The mother wrote to her political representative and said that her son't head "literally exploded". What a mess that must have made!!
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"but it's just a little titty" - emphasis on little
"Quality Software since 1983!" http://www.smoothjazzy.com/ - see the "Programming" section for (freeware) JazzySiteMaps, a simple application to generate .Net and Google-style sitemaps!
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Matt Gerrans wrote: Please look up "your" and "literally." A web site cannot "literally scream."
Sorry, got carried away. Let's call it a fanatic's metaphor.
Matt Gerrans wrote: Ah, ha. I was wondering what product you were pedaling. I guess it is your religion.
And you, with every word that comes out of your mouth, are peddling yours. All of us are; some of us know it.
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The Grand Negus wrote: Matt Gerrans wrote:
Please look up "your" and "literally." A web site cannot "literally scream."
Sorry, got carried away. Let's call it a fanatic's metaphor.
 Looks like you still don't get it. It would be a metaphor without the "literally" part. With the "literally" in there, it is just a stupid sounding statement.
The Grand Negus wrote: Matt Gerrans wrote:
Ah, ha. I was wondering what product you were pedaling. I guess it is your religion.
And you, with every word that comes out of your mouth, are peddling yours. All of us are; some of us know it.
Oh, the old "I know you are but what am I?" defense. That worked great in grammar school, didn't it? Time to move onto something more compelling, now, don't you think? Please point out to me exactly where I was offering up my irrational belief system. 
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The Grand Negus wrote: Are you saying I shouldn't express my opinions here because we've taken the time to develop an example application that embodies those opinions?
The problem with this is that if someone asks how to format a floppy, you don't tell them! You insist that formatting a floppy is flawed thinking and that they should take a look at your product and read your manifesto. All he wanted to do was format a frickin' floppy and you turn it into a discussion of your ideals and what's wrong with the computing world today.
If you want to do nothing but discuss your ideals, start your own discussion board or newsgroup.
Dave Kreskowiak
Microsoft MVP - Visual Basic
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Since your reply does nothing other than critisize what you think is wrong with Microsoft, or some other product, then directs everyone to your "perfect" product, YES, this is blatant advertising.
If you just make some suggestions on how he might fix his problem, without throwing the product away in favor of yours, and keep the link in your sig, then there's no problem.
Dave Kreskowiak
Microsoft MVP - Visual Basic
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: If you just make some suggestions on how he might fix his problem, without throwing the product away in favor of yours, and keep the link in your sig, then there's no problem.
The difficulty is that the problems are, for the most part, systemic. They can't be fixed with bandages and pain pills. Radical surgery is required, and that is all we have to offer. You can get less drastic (and less effective) remedies from all the other practitioners here. We're giving you the unwanted - but honest - diagnosis.
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You're frickin' joking, right?
Someone comes here and asks how to create an array of objects and you tell him to cut out the cancer that is Visual Studio .NET?? I'm not really clear on this... how does that solve his problem and get his project turned in?
Dave Kreskowiak
Microsoft MVP - Visual Basic
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: how does that solve his problem and get his project turned in?
It doesn't solve his immediate problem - but it might give him a solution to a larger problem (being shackled to Visual Studio for years to come).
Consider: A guy is stopped on the road by a very beat-up clunker with a broken hose. You stop and lend him some duct tape. I come along and point him to a friend who will give him a good deal on a new vehicle. Now I think we've both done the guy a good turn; but you seem to think I've done something wrong.
When I used to see a certain kind of individual struggling with a certain kind of problem in my database design classes, I would recommend that that person seek out a different career. It did nothing to help with the immediate exercise, of course, but when the advice was taken, it invariably led to a happier outcome.
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The Grand Negus wrote: It doesn't solve his immediate problem
Then don't reply. If you're not going to help his with his immediate problem, what are you doing here?
BTW: I didn't even bother to read the read of your post. The first sentence pretty much made the rest pointless.
Dave Kreskowiak
Microsoft MVP - Visual Basic
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: Then don't reply. If you're not going to help his with his immediate problem, what are you doing here?
Helping with his larger problems.
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Whether or not he cares about the larger problem, huh??
Dave Kreskowiak
Microsoft MVP - Visual Basic
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: Whether or not he cares about the larger problem, huh??
Nice point. I frankly only care about the problem at hand and not the larger one.
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PaulC1972 wrote: I frankly only care about the problem at hand and not the larger one.
But as Yoda once said, "You will. You will."
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The Grand Negus wrote: But as Yoda once said, "You will. You will."
Well, I deal with it when the time comes :->
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PaulC1972 wrote: Well, I deal with it when the time comes
Agreed. "You will. You will."
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The Grand Negus wrote: Agreed. "You will. You will."
Cool and I'll shuffle it off to someone else 
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YAGNI! 
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