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Hi, I'm interested in pursuing a career in the IT field as a programmer. My question is, What language should I start out with? I already know BASIC, and was thinking about self-learning C++, but I didnt know if I should just go into .net instead. So, what do you guys think? Is learning c++ important/necessary? Also, is it a good language to kick start my programming knowledge? If not, what is a good language to start learning with?
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Hello,
C++ is one of the most difficult languages to learn. Learning C++ requires to learn a lot of stuff that will help you understand things much better for the rest of your career! Some of these things are memory management and pointers.
I started to learn C++ as my first language and by myself. I must say, that in the beginning it was a hard concept to grasp, but with the help of this community, trial and error practice made me understand the language very well.
If you want to learn both the languages, my advice to you is to start with C++. If you start with C#, you'll accommodate certain habits which will make it harder for you to be a good C++ programmer.
If you want to find a job very fast and you don't care much about other things, you should learn C#. Thats the language of the new windows platform and a lot of companies are migrating to .NET.
Good luck with the choice you make! 
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Thank you very much, I think I'll continue with c++ so that It makes learning everything else much easier. Im not yet in college, so if I get the hang of C++ it will probably be invaluble in my education to come.
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The other thing is, be careful of how you learn. There's plenty of info out there that teaches C++ in the hardest possible way, or teaches it using stuff that is pre-standard. For example, any book that tells you to include iostream.h, throw away. If you can get The C++ Programming Language by Bjarne Stroustroup, that's definately a good place to start, if a little wordy for a beginner.
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C++ is the best place to start, but you should also get a good book on C (to help improve your understanding of C++).
Stick to learning the basics (console level) as much as possible, because you want to learn the language before learning OS specific stuff.
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John R. Shaw wrote:
but you should also get a good book on C (to help improve your understanding of C++).
It's advised that you don't learn C when you learn C++. This is because C has habits that are plain wrong in C++. Typecasting is one thing, enum magic is another thing. Heap allocations are an important thing that you should not mix if you program C++. Some C++ programmers that were traditional C programmers have bad habits: not initializing variables at the beginning of a function, mixing malloc with new and many more.
You don't need knowledge of C to undestand C++. IMHO it's even better that you don't learn C for the sake of "understanding" C++. The concept is to different.
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You're correct of course. Bruce Eckel ("Thinking in C++") wrote that he did not know he was a bad C programmer until he started learning C++.
I just suggested it, because in C you don't expect things to magicaly take care of them selfs. A lot of begging C++ programers seem to think magic happens and don't seem to understand that it is not magic, the action is just hidden from view.
Many C++ programmers have very bad habits too. Even worse, some of these habbits are taught to begginers, the code looks correct, but the problem is hidden. That's why I would recommend, after learning the basics and reading Bajarne Stroustrups Book, reading the puzzle books by Herb Sutter.
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for(/*...*/;/*...*/;i++) <- bad habit, generates temporary.
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Thats true, in C things will not happen by itself.
It's also very true that a lot of C++ programmers have bad habits, but the language doesn't change it. For every language are programmers that have bad habits. I C# for example, some people think that they can allocate and copy objects all they want and let the garbage collector take care of of it. They don't know that this "style" has a huge affect on performance.
John R. Shaw wrote:
That's why I would recommend, after learning the basics and reading Bajarne Stroustrups Book, reading the puzzle books by Herb Sutter.
Those books are also great. I have a few of them myself on the bookshelf.
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Hello,
Since you are not in college yet, you mind find the C++ book by bjarne stroustrup a little bit hard to understand. IMO, it's not the best place to start if you are not familliar with the technical level in the book. Things are explained that are hard to grasp, especially for people who don't know C++ yet.
I think that you should start out simple. Rent a book for "dummies" somewhere in a library and get familiar with the syntax, memory management, OO and containers. After that you should be ready for the more advanced books. The book suggested by Cristian is a really good book about C++. Some other authors names: meyers, ellis. I didn't read books written by them, but they are fererenced in many other books.
Good luck with your studies!
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If you become good in C++, you will become a good programmer. A programmer which understands the underlying mechanisms.
I'm not saying you won't become a good programmer if you choose, let's say C# for instance. But if you learn a complex and complete language such as C++, it's quite easy to learn other languages. That's my experience.
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Hi everyone,
I'm trying to check if a page was loaded correctly into my class extending CHtmlView. I mean I want to check if the page was found. And only a way I can think of is to check status codes of a server response.
I have found OnNavigationError function in CHtmlView whuch check the codes. But it looks like it's defeined in MFC 7. I use 6th one.
Are there any ways to get status codes for any MFC classes like CHtmlView? I do not want to work with sockets directly. But if there is no way to avoid it how can i get a pointer to a socket used in my instance of CHtmlView?
Thanks in advance.
Rotciv
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vicel wrote:
I'm trying to check if a page was loaded correctly into my class extending CHtmlView.
What about the GetReadyState() or GetBusy() methods?
vicel wrote:
I have found OnNavigationError function in CHtmlView whuch check the codes. But it looks like it's defeined in MFC 7. I use 6th one.
What about the OnDownloadComplete() method?
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These functions are different from what I need. They show up page loading process.
If a page was not found a server can return just a header with status code = 404 (page not found) and then OnDownloadComplete should say that download failed. Or it can return (!) an error page. So a page will be downloaded anyways.
That's why I want to see status codes.
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I have such code:
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System::Windows::Forms::Form * form1 = new error;
form1->Controls->Add(listbox);
form1->Show();<br />
When I try to build project, it returns error c2061 on the string(marked in code). What should I do?
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fenixk19 wrote:
What should I do?
You could start by posting the error message itself, it usually gives a very good clue as to which identifier the complier did not recognize. You could also look up C2061 in MSDN to get a description of the error, as well as the recommended solution.
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Error message
d:\Documents and Settings\Phoenix\Мои документы\My_app\autonapominalka\main.cpp(138): error C2061: syntax error : identifier 'form1'
I've already looked up in MSDN. I won't be there if i found solution in MSDN.
listbox:
System::Windows::Forms::ListBox * listbox = new ListBox;
listbox->BackColor = System::Drawing::SystemColors::Control;
listbox->Location = System::Drawing::Point(96, 8);
listbox->Name = S"listBox1";
listbox->Size = System::Drawing::Size(208, 56);
listbox->TabIndex = 2;
PS Sorry for my English
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Hello everyone
I want to write an application in c++, I have got visual studio.net which includes c++.net. Somebody told me that application developed in .net framework is compiled in-time. So it's slow. But application developed in c++ is compiled, it's quicker. Visual studio.net contains c++.net aswell. So could anybody give me an idea what's the difference between v++ and c++.net please??? And what's the exactly meaning of the win32 project? What's the difference between win32 project and the windows form application project???
Another question is that if I make an application in c++ using mysql as my database. How can I make a connection to the source database please???
Thanks in advance!!!
Asura
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Ming Luo wrote:
Somebody told me that application developed in .net framework is compiled in-time. So it's slow. But application developed in c++ is compiled, it's quicker.
This is only partly correct. Once the .Net framework has been loaded, the differences in speed are negligible.
Ming Luo wrote:
So could anybody give me an idea what's the difference between v++ and c++.net please???
See here, here, and here.
Ming Luo wrote:
Another question is that if I make an application in c++ using mysql as my database. How can I make a connection to the source database please???
If you are using MFC, check out the CRecordset and CDatabase classes. Otherwise, you can use the ODBC API directly.
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A C++ app is only 'slower' if you use managed c++, otherwise, it's the same as any C++ compiler.
Ming Luo wrote:
And what's the exactly meaning of the win32 project? What's the difference between win32 project and the windows form application project???
Windows Forms is managed C++, it's slower, and more complex to use in C++. Win32 is a console app, or a non MFC C++ app. An MFC app is probably what you want.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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I am a quite new C++ learner. Could you tell me what's the exactly meaning of managed C++ please? And how can I avoid using managed C++???
Thanks
Asura
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Managed c++ is c++ with added keywords to use the .NET framework. If you create MFC applications with the form wizard, they should be unmanaged by default. In any case, if you don't use the .NET framework, I doubt that having a MC++ app will hurt, it will just sit there, unused.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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I'm using MS Hierarchical FlexGrid to display hierarchical data from a database in a grid. As of now, I can't find out how to do that. I'm using Microsoft Visual C++ .NET 2003. I want to display data from two tables. One table has primary information, and the second table has multiple records for each record in the primary table. I'd like to display just the primary information and just let the user highlight a record to see what records in the second table belong to it. If anybody knows how to use the MSHFlexGrid (mshflxgrd.ocx... as opposed to the non-hierarchical one msflxgrd.ocx) and could offer any help, that'd be appreciated. Or if anybody knows how to solve this problem without mshflexgrid, that'd be great as well.
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May I know how I can access map by index just like I access vector by index?
cout<< "This is the 10th element (0 based) in my vector = "<< myVector[10];
For map, when I wish to access the 10th element (0 based), I would do the following:
map<char *,="" int="">::iterator curr, end;
end = myMap.end();
curr = myMap.begin();
for(int i=0; i<10; i++) {
curr++;
}
cout<< "This is the 10th element (0 based) in my map = "<< myMap->second;
I was wondering whether is there any better way other than having to loop through all the items? For example:
/* The following code is just a wish, it is not valid. */
cout<< "This is the 10th element (0 based) in my vector = "<< myMap.getItemByIndex(10);
Thank you.
cheok
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