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All of these reasons describe either experiences I have had or adverts I have seen, sometimes slightly exaggerated for dramatic effect. Also, some of this client behaviour could be construed as being quite reasonable depending on the context.
1. They interview you before getting budget approval, and then tell you afterwards that the budget has not been approved.
2. They set technical tests and get their own answers wrong.
3. They ask you what your weaknesses are. Would Tony Blair tell you what his weaknesses are? He was asked a similar question on the BBC Today programme and answered: “that’s for me to know and you to find out.”
4. They give as a reason for rejecting you after interview that you do not have adequate experience in skill X when you admitted prior to interview that you didn’t.
5. They give as a reason for rejecting you after interview that you do not have adequate experience in skill X when it wasn’t asked for in the first place.
6. You are a contractor and you have a gap of a few months on your CV and it’s known that the IT market is in a downturn. They ask what you’ve been doing? Trying to find work of course!
7. They hold interviews when they know that the job will be filled internally.
8. Human Resources (aka Human Remains) interview you and ask you lots of stupid questions, none of which have any relevance to whether you can do the job.
9. The job is a contract position and they insist on knowing your career aims for the next 20 years.
10. You have 10 years’ solid IT industry experience, yet they insist on your having a 1st class honours degree from a top 10 university and 3 A’s at A-Level before they’ll even look at you.
11. You have 10 years’ solid IT industry experience, yet they insist on your having a 1st class honours degree from Oxford, Cambridge or Imperial. So those who graduated from Harvard magna cum laude need not apply then?
12. They ask you to give them an idea on how to proceed with the problem that is forcing them to look for a contractor in the first place. In other words, they want free consultancy as part of the interview. But once they’ve got the consultancy they hire someone else.
13. They advertise a job that specifies that the candidate must have at least 3 years’, but no more than 10 years’, experience in C++. In other words, those aged over 35 need not apply.
14. They insist that you have 2 years’ commercial experience in a new software technology that has yet to be released.
15. You are rejected because you do not fit the “company culture.” In other words, you are too old.
16. They say you must be able to write bug-free code as a matter of course. So their current software is bug-free then?
17. They get the agency to give you a technical test over the phone. You pass this and they invite you to their offices. They never set eyes on you but they get the agency to set you a written technical test. However, afterwards, you receive no feedback whatsoever, despite numerous attempts at follow-ups.
18. You have an interview on a Tuesday. After the interview they tell you that they have more candidates to see and they won’t be making a decision until Friday. Wrong! They’ve already made a decision – that you won’t be one of the candidates they’ll choose on Friday. If they want you they’ll make you an offer within 24 hours, either later that day or the next morning, regardless of whether they’ve got others to see.
19. They think that if you haven’t got commercial experience in skill X then you can’t do it at all.
20. You have been a professional programmer for 10 years, but you don’t have commercial experience in the latest skill, X. Yet they treat you as though you are a brand new programmer with no commercial experience at all.
21. They ask for a shopping-list of a dozen skills. You are able to land the contract anyway. But after you’ve completed it you’ve only had to use one or two skills on the shopping-list.
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Anonymous wrote:
4. They give as a reason for rejecting you after interview that you do not have adequate experience in skill X when you admitted prior to interview that you didn’t.
Perhaps they were hoping that you had more than enough experience in skill Y that would have made up for the deficiencies in skill X.
Anonymous wrote:
6. You are a contractor and you have a gap of a few months on your CV and it’s known that the IT market is in a downturn. They ask what you’ve been doing? Trying to find work of course!
It's not unreasonable to take time off between jobs to take coursework, get certified, etc.
Anonymous wrote:
7. They hold interviews when they know that the job will be filled internally.
This is part of being an EOE.
Anonymous wrote:
10. You have 10 years’ solid IT industry experience, yet they insist on your having a 1st class honours degree from a top 10 university and 3 A’s at A-Level before they’ll even look at you.
Nothing wrong with that. Your industry experience cannot be measured. A diploma and certification(s) can.
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12. They ask you to give them an idea on how to proceed with the problem that is forcing them to look for a contractor in the first place. In other words, they want free consultancy as part of the interview. But once they’ve got the consultancy they hire someone else.
This is quite normal. I've heard plenty of stories about folks getting hired on the spot because one of the engineers in the interview threw a real-life problem out on the table and the candidate fixed it right there.
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14. They insist that you have 2 years’ commercial experience in a new software technology that has yet to be released.
Because they want you to help them get to that point. This was quite the thing to see in the newspapers when .Net first came out. I too was curious as to how folks were to have any experience with such a new technology. It's called learning it on your own.
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15. You are rejected because you do not fit the “company culture.” In other words, you are too old.
A lot of companies like to hire young folks because they can get roughly the same amount of work for less money.
"Ideas are a dime a dozen. People who put them into action are priceless." - Unknown
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Your answer to point 15 isn't entirely correct - young folks tend to put up with being pushed around and experienced hands know bs when they smell it.
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Older folks get laid off and lose their job for the very reason I described. The company saves a ton of money by letting go of the stale, higher-paid veterans and bringing in younger, fresh minds. That's just the cycle of employment and has been around for decades. Getting pushed around and not knowing bs has nothing to do with it. A new college graduate or someone with only a few years experience will not be able to go into a company and demand a higher salary than those that have been in the industry for many years. Of course there are exceptions to the rule.
"One must learn from the bite of the fire to leave it alone." - Native American Proverb
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There is a reason for everything ,
I belive everything is for some good .
I was rejected by a Big company inspite
of a successfull written exam and my friend
was selected eventhough had wrong answers ,
later on i came to know he was shifted to a
new techonlogy which had less scope in market.
He was help less as he left his first job ![Rose | [Rose]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
Vikas Amin
Embin Technology
Bombay
vikas.amin@embin.com
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Hi
I am in the UK and am looking to study at home for MCDBA exams.
I am looking for a little help on where to get good training materials for a sensible price and information about exam costs and locations.
A couple of places seem to be offering packages but don't mention exam costs at all.
http://www.certifyittraining.com/mcdba2003.htm[^] is one example of this.
Any useful information would be appreciated!
Many Thanks
Marc
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At present we are searching for passionate, intelligent (C#) Web developers (job description attached) to contribute to our dynamic team of programming professionals.Our 40 million + users span over 200 countries. Our engineers' applications and ideas affect each of them as fast as they create it. SMS.ac is changing the world everyday and we are already pioneering the technology that is molding the direction of the industry.
We've been successful to this point by recognizing the little things that bottleneck most companies. Our employees are dedicated leaders that have left the concepts of ego, politics, and bureaucracy at the door. With these factors out of the picture, we are able to focus on our ultimate objective: to emerge as the leader of the mobile data space.
Position Overview:
You will work closely with the technology team to meet corporate objectives. This is an ideal position for someone who can work effectively in a small group and independently in a fast paced environment. You will be following a .NET framework utilizing C# and ASP.NET for all web based application development. The applications you will be developing / enhancing includes smsFlirt, smsClubs, smsChannels, MobilePartner and many more future applications. This is the ideal position for someone who is strong in traditional ASP, but also has working knowledge of .net / with C#. Additional work will focus on wireless application development (including WAP and BREW technologies). Some of the focus will be on developing a WAP based website and additional work will be focused on creating applications for the handset. All developers will work closely with marketing and business development in improving these applications and adding better functionality. You will have a hand in not only the programming, but also in the look and feel of the applications. You will also have the opportunity to lead projects from start to finish.
The work environment adheres to the engineers that want to have a say in all aspects of the product life cycle. If you are looking for a 9-5 where you can sit quietly and code exactly what you are told to, this is not the place for you. We are looking for intelligent, creative programmers that embrace challenges and obstacles with confident determination and resolve.
Candidates should possess:
* BS/MS in Computer Science or Electrical Engineering
* 3 yrs+ working experience
* 1+ year experience with .Net framework (ASP.net or C#)
* Experience with WAP, J2ME, BREW and wireless application development
* HTML/JavaScript experience
* SQLServer, Oracle or Informix experience (SQL)
* Team player with excellent communications skills
We offer competitive salaries, benefits and pre-IPO stock options to all of our employees.
If you think your are a good fit for this position, please send your resume to hr@Corp.sms.ac
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i am new to .net environment and working in asp.net and vb.net environ.
please tell me about the hierarchy of certifications which one can acquire in .net and plz also give pointers to sites where one can found sample papers on .net certification.
thnx,
neoms21
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Hi neoms21
When you pass one exam you will get MCP credential.
Next is MCAD(Microsoft Certified Application Developer) which requires 3 exams.
Then MCSD(Microsoft Certified Solution Developer) which requires 5 exams. ie MCAD + 2 more exams.
A good site is Microsoft's own site
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/default.asp[^]
Charmis
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I do asp.net development in vb.net. Without getting into a religious debate over which language is better can someone give me a real world reason to change to C#?
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There isn't any. VB.Net is just as good, if not better. It's easier to read and the intellisense is better. Plus there are still plenty of jobs for vb.net programmers. I just started a new job and I had 2 offers after 4 interviews in the Philadelphia area.
"People who never make mistakes, never do anything."
My blog
http://toddsnotsoamazinglife.blogspot.com/
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
VB.Net is just as good, if not better.
One word, Generics! Can you use generics in VB.Net?
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At this point you can't do it in C# either.
George Carlin wrote:
"Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things."
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
If the physicists find a universal theory describing the laws of universe, I'm sure the a**hole constant will be an integral part of that theory.
My Blog[^]
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You can if you're using 2.0, and still won't be able to it in VB any version.
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Both Vb and C# .net are in demand nowadays. It's not the tool itself but your innovation,skills and experience that will count. I used to code in VB6/.Net but due to work requirements I was moved to C# team though our section utilized me in some VB developments.
/Dabuskol.
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Hi,
I had a good exposure to C++ during my studies(But surely not an expert). After my studies i got a job in ASP/Vbscript/SQL Server. Because of my family situation i had to accept the offer(My First job). I worked in ASP/VBScript for 5 months.
After that our team slowly migrated to VB.NET and as everybody in our team except me wanted to work with VB.NET, we started developing ASP.NET applications in VB.NET.
I got my second job in ASP.NET/VB.NET.
As i love C++, i was changed to a team developing in ASP.NET/C# with my management's permission. I have been developing using C# for the past 5 months.
Now my doubt is about my future careers. If i look for a new job,will they accept my resume. Surely i will look for a job in C#. I know there is not much difference between Vb.net and C#. But i don't know how the employers will react..
Please advice me, Help would be much appreciated.
Kas_Aspnet
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Knowing one or the other alone could be detrimental -- knowing both can't hurt. There is also a profound difference between real managers (who should be able tell the difference between a respectable programmer and a bulls&*t artist) and recruiters; recruiters are typically trying to pigeonhole you, label you and categorize you as one thing or the other. If possible, avoid HR, recruiters and their ilk and find out who the actual person making the hiring decision is, and talk to that person... hopefully he or she is a sensible person with a technical background who will recognize your ambidexiterity as a benefit.
In the market at large, it simply varies from one project to another, from one customer to another; some are dedicated to one language/platform only, whether it is Java, C# or Visual Basic.NET; others could care less, as long as the job gets done and the project is delivered.
What a piece of work is man, how noble in reason, how infinite in faculties, in form and moving how express and admirable . . . and yet to me, what is this quintessence of dust? -- Hamlet, Act II, Scene ii.
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Thanks very much john. Code project is a place where i could get immediate & proper responses.
I am now confident about my career. I am neither a novice nor an expert in coding. The question arose b'coz of my little experience.
Thanks John.
Kas_Aspnet
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Glad I could help.
What a piece of work is man, how noble in reason, how infinite in faculties, in form and moving how express and admirable . . . and yet to me, what is this quintessence of dust? -- Hamlet, Act II, Scene ii.
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I'm a vb.net programmer (although, I've been doing ASP.Net for the last 3 years). I would simply list both on your resume. Most IT managers realize that the difference between vb.net and C# is mostly syntax. I just took a new position doing asp.net with vb.net but I interviewed for C# jobs even though I have barely used it. If you understand object oriented programming switching between the two is really not that difficult. The person intverviewing you should know that. If they don't, do you really want to work for them?
"People who never make mistakes, never do anything."
My blog
http://toddsnotsoamazinglife.blogspot.com/
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
If you understand object oriented programming switching between the two is really not that difficult. The person intverviewing you should know that. If they don't, do you really want to work for them?
It helps if you can avoid recruitment agencies and HR though. They'll just be blinded by buzzwords.
Kevin
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It is a PLUS factor to consider if you know more tools. It's the experience that counts more and the extra skills.
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