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C# will not be the language of choice if You have any interest
in execution speed. C# is ok for GUIs and some networking
requests, but not for big apps.
So far I have not seen any usable Java program except in web
browsers. Corels Office suite has never been finished because
the performance is extremely poor.
Recent tests in a computer magazine state that the speed of C#
is comparable to Java. No wonder, the concepts behind both
are quite similar.
I give managed C++ a very good chance to become the most popular
next generation language. The mixing of managaned and unamanaged code
makes migration very easy plus the managed part runs only slightly
slower than unmanaged code. Code reuse and extensibility are nearly
unlimited because of the very rich existing C++ sources already avaliable.
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Interesting..
akraus wrote:
Recent tests in a computer magazine state that the speed of C#
is comparable to Java
Do you have any link you can post?
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Anonymous wrote:
akraus wrote:
Recent tests in a computer magazine state that the speed of C#
is comparable to Java
Do you have any link you can post?
maybe if its a web magazine 
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The magazine emphasizes that Microsoft does not allow performance
tests before the final release of .NET. So they only said,
that preliminary tests indicate that the speed of C# is comparable
to Java. And no I will not name the name of the law braking magazine.
Too many Microsoft employees out there 
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akraus wrote:
And no I will not name the name of the law braking magazine.
Too many Microsoft employees out there
If that's the case, then the magazine has broken the law already, and thus you shouldn't worry about what you do as a magazine reader..
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Sorry I have no link. You have to go to the store and buy it.
And You must be able to read german 
The magazine is c'T Computer Technik Magazin and definitly one
of the best avaliable. German press has still some high quality
magazines which have competent and independent editors.
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This is dumb.
1/ Why would you expect accurate results from tests on a beta ?
2/ How can M$ stop people from doing performance tests ?
3/ How does doing what M$ doesn't want constitute breaking the law ?
Christian
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Christian Graus wrote:
2/ How can M$ stop people from doing performance tests ?
They can't stop them, but by doing so you break your EULA with using the software, thus losing your license causing your further use of it to be illegal.... If you live in a country that abides by EULAs that is.
Christian Graus wrote:
3/ How does doing what M$ doesn't want constitute breaking the law ?
See above 
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James T. Johnson wrote:
They can't stop them, but by doing so you break your EULA with using the software, thus losing your license causing your further use of it to be illegal.... If you live in a country that abides by EULAs that is
You can post an anonymous "speed test results".
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<small><b><B><I>C</B>hristian <B>G</B>raus</I> wrote:
</b></small><i>1/ Why would you expect accurate results from tests on a beta ?</i>
Yes!!! Java is like beta-software reliability, so surely it's a fair test???
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Nish
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Anonymous wrote:
Do you have any link you can post?
Ya, good question. It wasn't long ago that Chris posted an article here about some benchmarks done by Microsoft which proved that C#/.NET was significantly faster than Java/J2EE.
Regards,
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The Petstore sample??
check out this interesting thread:
http://www.theserverside.com/discussion/thread.jsp?thread_id=9797
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akraus wrote:
Recent tests in a computer magazine state that the speed of C#
is comparable to Java.
I did my own little benchmarks, and I came to the same conclusion.
akraus wrote:
C# is ok for GUIs and some networking
requests, but not for big apps.
C#, just like Java, is great for server-side apps. There you can always improve performance by adding hardware, which is usually cheaper than to develop C++ code.
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akraus wrote:
give managed C++ a very good chance to become the most popular
next generation language. The mixing of managaned and unamanaged code
makes migration very easy plus the managed part runs only slightly
slower than unmanaged code.
The managed parts compile to the IL, same as C#, but will run only SLIGHTLY slower ? You've contradicted yourself here.
Christian
I have come to clean zee pooollll. - Michael Martin Dec 30, 2001
Picture the daffodil. And while you do that, I'll be over here going through your stuff.
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>I give managed C++ a very good chance to become the most popular
>next generation language. The mixing of managaned and unamanaged code
>makes migration very easy plus the managed part runs only slightly
>slower than unmanaged code. Code reuse and extensibility are nearly
>unlimited because of the very rich existing C++ sources already avaliable.
"most popular?" hmm.. I would agree on powerfull
- Code reuse will be mainly achieved by component-oriented programming (=assemblies). Code re-use for C++ ist highly dependable upon your programming style (I do not know too many people that actually take full benefit from the Standard library ideas and tools, which is quite a shame). Still some people use MFC just for CString. (these are probably the people that do programming for a living, I know )
- Java developers now can target the .NET platform (about 3mio people?? skilled ?)
- A newcomer does not even have a dialog editor for managed c++ (ok this might sound lame for a pro), this it keeps people from doing their first steps in .net in c++.
- There is no marketing team that pushes C++. its the C# vs Java thing 
- Calling native libs is realized using PInvoke too, so using unmanaged c++ code /w managed c++ code for optimal performance might not be the only way to speed things up (you could use PInvoke and any native lib)
- C++ can (<- !) be very complicated and confusing for newbies. Some people do not get the difference between C and C++.
Of course, time will tell. But since marketing and tools set the pace ..
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C# is compiled to native machine code right before it's executed. It's not "interpreted" like it would be in a Java VM, therefore it's faster.
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Jason Hooper wrote:
therefore it's faster
Theory, theory... Try to measure for yourself.
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Jason Hooper wrote:
C# is compiled to native machine code right before it's executed. It's not "interpreted" like it would be in a Java VM, therefore it's faster.
Can someone explain how this "compilation" happens ? I have not really kept up with .NET
Does the .NET runtime compile the entire IL files into ASM before starting ? Is it a JIT compiler like Java's ?
Thanks -
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It's a JIT compiler - it compiles every line before it uses it for the first time, then keeps the compiled code in memory for subsequent calls.
Christian
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And it saves the compiled binaries to disk for later use...
- Anders
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With CLR you get three options :
(1) Use Econo-JIT : Fast compilation time but the generated code is not optimized so it would run slower. This type of compilation is useful for scripts.
(2) Standard JIT: slow compilation time, but generates fully optimized code; thus the application would run at speeds "comparable" to a native application
(3) Install time Compilation: When your ILs are installed on a machine you could instruct it to be converted to native code upon installation. This may increase installation time but the application would never need to be "CLRed" again.
One major difference between Java and .NET run times is that with CLR your code need not be run as interpreted. Unlike JVM which despite the JIT, still essentially runs portions of the Byte code as interpreted (although with GCJ things may be different); the .NET runtime compiles it once for the very
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Managed C++ runs at exactly the same speed as C# code. They both compile down to IL...
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Development Manager
Digital Healthcare Ltd
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Actually it was mentioned that MC++ is the only language that generates optimized IL so theoretically it's always a little bit faster.
A while ago I've done my own tests and C# was significantly faster than Java, I don't remember the exact numbers, sorry.
What I might've done differently is that I put timers in the program itself so I discarded the time of initial compilation from IL to native.
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I'm not sure that I understand what constitutes a 'managed extension'. Is there a difference between pure "Managed C++" and "C++ with managed extensions"? Or, is a managed extention simply a managed code set linked to regular ol' C++. Is that even possible? 
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