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Russian and ASL... James R. Twine14-Mar-05 2:29 James R. Twine 14-Mar-05 2:29     Started learning Russian, not going too well... :/    But I am going to start taking some official ASL instruction, due to my renewed interest in it.    Oh, wait -- are we talking about a programming or scripting language here? Then no.    Peace! Re: Russian and ASL... Igor Velikorossov17-Mar-05 16:47 Igor Velikorossov 17-Mar-05 16:47  Russian owns jo! ;P;P Coding linguist Nish Nishant14-Mar-05 0:14 Nish Nishant 14-Mar-05 0:14  It's easy being a coder linguist because nearly everyone knows 3-4 language syntaxes pretty well. So maybe we should raise the bar a little higher. To 10. How many of you can code something considerably better than a hello-world in 10 different languages? Say, a book management application for a library. Nish Re: Coding linguist Shog914-Mar-05 18:29 Shog9 14-Mar-05 18:29  So, is that a book management app written ten times, once in each language, or a book management app written once, with ten different portions of it each written in a different language...? Shog9 I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut... Re: Coding linguist SHaroz15-Mar-05 13:44 SHaroz 15-Mar-05 13:44  What do consider to be a different language? I know several variants of C alone: C, pre-ISO C++, ISO C++, MFC, C++.NET, C#, and C# 2.0. Many languages are variations of another language: Basic, QBasic, VB, VBA, VBScript, VB.NET, and VB.NET 2.0 Java, AspectJ, JavaScript, J++, and J# Furthermore, are Java, C++, and C# really that different? Someone who knows C++ could easily read Java and C# code, though he may have difficulty writing in those languages. Re: Coding linguist Don Clugston16-Mar-05 12:16 Don Clugston 16-Mar-05 12:16  >What do consider to be a different language? This is a very interesting question. The first phase of the language wars was won convincingly by ANSI C. Almost every other language from before that time changed so that it looked more like C. C++ gradually took over, but has never been as dominant as C was. I believe that modern C++ (especially with templates) is a very different language to basic C++. In fact, traditional C++ is arguably more similar to C# and Java than it is to modern C++, because modern C++ has been so influenced by functional programming languages. Something that really annoys me about Microsoft's .NET propaganda is that they exaggerate the differences between the .NET languages. VB.NET and C# are really the same language, spelt differently. (VB.NET is just more verbose and ugly. However, it is a completely different language to BASIC). You can tell you have a new language when you have to think differently. If you haven't had to learn any new concepts, it's the same language. If there are only a few new concepts, it's probably a dialect. Re: Coding linguist SHaroz16-Mar-05 15:41 SHaroz 16-Mar-05 15:41  Don Clugston wrote: VB.NET is just more verbose and ugly That is all a matter of perspective. Though I started my programming with "dixie cup" programs in pascal and C, I found VB to be very simple for small to medium sized applications. It has more English in it and can be easier for begginer programmers to write (i.e. Not instead of !). I don't want to start a language war thread, so I will simply say that every language as its use. Don Clugston wrote: You can tell you have a new language when you have to think differently. If you haven't had to learn any new concepts, it's the same language. If there are only a few new concepts, it's probably a dialect. In that case I only know a few types of languages: assemly, procedural, object oriented, aspect oriented, and functional. OO with templates and events would be just dialects of OO. I guess markup languages could be counted as well (HTML, XML, etc.). Am I missing any? Re: Coding linguist Don Clugston16-Mar-05 18:59 Don Clugston 16-Mar-05 18:59  > Though I started my programming with "dixie cup" programs in pascal and C, I found VB to be very simple for small to medium sized applications. That was true for VB6 and previous. But there's nothing at all distinctive about VB.NET. As far as I can tell, all VB.NET is, is a simple preprocessor for C#. It seems to exist only to help VB programmers feel less abandoned. (Seriously; I'm not flaming here). I doubt it's actually easier to learn. If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and moves like a duck, but is bright pink, it probably still is a duck. (albeit a duck that's wandered through a paint factory). > In that case I only know a few types of languages: assemly, procedural, object oriented, aspect oriented, and functional. OO with templates and events would be just dialects of OO. I guess markup languages could be counted as well (HTML, XML, etc.). Am I missing any? (Another type is goto-based spaghetti code: Forth is different again). But I wouldn't put it as tightly as that. I would call them language groups. Generic programming (OO with templates) is quite different from plain OO. It took me as long to learn C++ with templates starting from C++ as it did to learn C starting from Pascal. Additionally, I think that reflection is a sufficiently new concept for the .NET languages to distinguish them from other languages. But hey, this is just my opinion. It's even hard to define a human language precisely. Re: Coding linguist SHaroz16-Mar-05 22:41 SHaroz 16-Mar-05 22:41  Don Clugston wrote: That was true for VB6 and previous. But there's nothing at all distinctive about VB.NET. I used to use VB6 because MFC was hell, but since .NET I've switched over to C# because I like the C-based syntax. I do, however, still use VB for automation or when optional parameters are helpful. Don Clugston wrote: Forth is different again I forgot about forth! You are one of the few poeple I've met who has even heard of that language. Re: Coding linguist toxcct16-Mar-05 22:13 toxcct 16-Mar-05 22:13  MFC is not a language ; only a framework. C++ .NET is C++, this time again, with .NET framework. thus, java is quite different than C++ (i don't know C#), not really about the syntax, but in its "deepness"... TOXCCT >>> GEII power [toxcct][VisualCalc] Re: Coding linguist SHaroz16-Mar-05 22:51 SHaroz 16-Mar-05 22:51  toxcct wrote: MFC is not a language ; only a framework. True. I guess I meant Visual C++. It is deffinitely not the same as standard C++. Just make use of vectors if you have any doubts. As was said earlier, it is a dialect of C++ (which is a progression of C, which is a progression of B, which is a prograssion of ACPL). toxcct wrote: java is quite different than C++ When you compare them with languages like VB, LISP, or Forth, they are fairly similar. Sun said that they based Java on C++. Re: Coding linguist toxcct16-Mar-05 23:03 toxcct 16-Mar-05 23:03  i agree, VC++ is not exactly C++ (and i deplore that point, Microsoft always think they do better than the whole world... ) java is fairly similar to C++ comparing to VB and so on. right ! i'm also with you when you say Java is based on C++ (no comment). but you know, as answer of that survey, i'm still learning at Java, and i think i know (modestly) quite well C++. So this is why i find Java and C++ different. of course, when a novice read at two code sources, one in each language, he will hardly find a difference btw them. but when you go deeper, you can see that what you code in C++ can behave very strange manners in Java... d'you understand what i mean ? TOXCCT >>> GEII power [toxcct][VisualCalc] Re: Coding linguist devvvy17-Mar-05 2:59 devvvy 17-Mar-05 2:59  C# VB.NET English# Java Mandarin.NET Javascript VBScript Cantonese.NET SQL TSQL ... Norman Fung C# and ASP.NET Yulianto.13-Mar-05 23:10 Yulianto. 13-Mar-05 23:10  I start learning C# about 6 months or so. This week I started learning ASP.NET. I think my knowledge know is in the middle for C#. Agree with Nish, learning the 'languange' is harder than programming language. Just you try learning mandarin, and the writing. <italic>Work hard, Work effectively and a bit of luck is the key to success. Re: C# and ASP.NET Franz Klein14-Mar-05 0:59 Franz Klein 14-Mar-05 0:59  I have just started learning these languages as well but only started about 2 weeks ago. I am the handsome one in the crowd. Still learning Michael P Butler13-Mar-05 22:48 Michael P Butler 13-Mar-05 22:48  It's been a couple of year since I started, but I'm still learning more and more about C# I've also been learning MyXaml[^] for longer than 6 months too. The only "languages" I started to look at in the last six months are CSS and XSLT. Do they count? Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^] Re: Still learning Paul Watson14-Mar-05 21:20 Paul Watson 14-Mar-05 21:20  Michael P Butler wrote: CSS and XSLT. Do they count They do, IMO. regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project Pope Pius II said "The only prescription is more cowbell. " Confusion... leppie13-Mar-05 22:35 leppie 13-Mar-05 22:35  We talking about talk language, or programming language? xacc-ide 0.0.15 now with C#, MSIL, C, XML, ASP.NET, Nemerle, MyXaml and HLSL coloring - Screenshots Re: Confusion... Nish Nishant13-Mar-05 22:56 Nish Nishant 13-Mar-05 22:56  leppie wrote: We talking about talk language, or programming language? Given that CP is a programmer's site, it should be the latter But then, studying a spoken language is a 100 times tougher than studying a programming language. Nish Re: Confusion... Chris Maunder14-Mar-05 13:45 Chris Maunder 14-Mar-05 13:45  I dunno...those managed extensions aren't exactly intuitive :P cheers, Chris Maunder Re: Confusion... Pater15-Mar-05 20:05 Pater 15-Mar-05 20:05  Nishant S wrote: But then, studying a spoken language is a 100 times tougher than studying a programming language. So you are not *talking* C++ ? Programming languages Chris Maunder14-Mar-05 13:46 Chris Maunder 14-Mar-05 13:46  Argh! Why I didn't see this being an issue I don't know. Programming languages. This being a programming site and all. But I know - it's pretty ambiguous the way it's written. Where's the "bangs head against a wall" emoticon when ya need it cheers, Chris Maunder Re: Programming languages leppie14-Mar-05 18:06 leppie 14-Mar-05 18:06  If only the 1st comment didnt mention Hindi, all would be well xacc-ide 0.0.15 now with C#, MSIL, C, XML, ASP.NET, Nemerle, MyXaml and HLSL coloring - Screenshots Re: Programming languages Nish Nishant15-Mar-05 1:15 Nish Nishant 15-Mar-05 1:15  leppie wrote: If only the 1st comment didnt mention Hindi, all would be well Sorry Re: Programming languages Vikram A Punathambekar15-Mar-05 1:36 Vikram A Punathambekar 15-Mar-05 1:36  Don't be sorry for learning Hindi. Just kidding.... Seriously, learning Hindi will take you anywhere in India except Tamil Nadu and Kerala. I have no idea about the North-East though. Vikram. http://www.geocities.com/vpunathambekar "Argue for your limitations, and sure enough, they're yours." – Richard Bach, "Illusions". "I think the internet has been online for too long." – Joesox.

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