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Sander Rossel wrote: grossness: children > dogs > cats
Agreed. But the challenge of raising children, and the joy of seeing them overcome challenges on their way from babyhood to adulthood make it all worth while. YMMV.
For me, one of my most treasured memories is the joy and pride on my eldest daughter's face when as a baby she stood up unsupported for the first time.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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I've got zero children and I got a vasectomy earlier this year, so that's how I think about it.
And since I've got no male relatives to carry on the family name it'll die with me.
Not only do I not want kids, I really dislike them, but all my friends are getting them 
I'm learning to cope, mainly by ignoring them the best I can.
I still like dogs a lot more than kids 
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As I wrote, YMMV.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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They're good with hot sauce.
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Sander Rossel wrote: Not only do I not want kids, I really dislike them,
I never wanted kids - something I decided when my own age still consisted of a single digit - but "dislike" is a bit of a strong word.
Some kids I feel like I could have all the patience in the world with. Others I go out of my way to avoid.
But my own? Nope. I'm certainly not gonna change my mind in my fifties.
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I have to take a stand for the dogs.
We have two Landseer, Landseer dog - Wikipedia[^] and also two cats, they are living without a problem together (the two little cats enjoy the two big dogs;)). They are both very intelligent herding dogs (protectors) and make their own decisions in an emergency. I experienced this myself when one of them saw a drowning person in the lake and he went into the water on his own initiative and 'saved' the person.
OK, but I also have to admit: The person was a well-trained swimmer and was not in danger. The dog misinterpreted this a little bit.
Better to save once too often than once too little 
My lesson from this incident is: Always take care of your animals, dog or cat. Have them under control.
modified 17-Sep-24 12:58pm.
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0x01AA wrote: ... or cat. Have them under control.
New survey idea: Is the above mentioned possible? 
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Dogs: 75%
Cats: 0%
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Nice looking dogs though, I've not heard of that breed. A tad too big for my yard however. 
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And if you had one, you wouldn't need a sheep anymore. They give off so much wool/hair. But I still love them both.
As long as they can stay with you (and they can stay with us, in the whole house, even if they shed a lot of hair) they are happy with less yards. In my case, they have a big yard, nonetheless they prefer to stay with us.
My motto is: If I want to keep a dog (animal), I want it to be with me. OK, I do make a distinction with the horses.
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0x01AA wrote: My motto is: If I want to keep a dog (animal), I want it to be with me. OK,
Agreed! My little guy has the run of the place, and sheds less than me  . Looks just like this one.Bailey the Miniature Goldendoodle - DogPerDay[^]
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Nope, dogs have owners.
Cats have support staff.
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.
I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.
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They use newfies as water rescue dogs (seen them in the UK, anyway) so it doesn't really surprise me that your landseer would have the same instincts.
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I was prepared for it and had read about it beforehand. But experiencing it live was an impressive experience.
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Sixty years ago, my parents raised German Shepherds for sale. They are by nature very loving dogs and very protective dogs. They do need training and challenges, however. They tend to be very curious and will easily cause problems when their curiosity gets them into mischief. With proper training, they make excellent service dogs for the disabled.
They can make excellent herd dogs, as long as there is a shepherd to direct them. Left alone with a herd, they get bored and, in their curiosity, they tend to stray too far from the herd to properly protect it from coyotes and other predators. This last point is why we do not use them with our herd.
We use Anatolian Shepherd/Great Pyrenees crosses. They bond with the herd and stay with it. When a predator appears, one or two stay with the herd while the rest chase the predator. They are team fighters and instinctively face the predator from two different directions. When the predator attacks one, the other attacks the predator from behind. When the predator turns to face their attacker, the first one attacks, again from behind. If the predator does not turn and run, I am left to clean up the carcass, if I find it. More often, I find scattered bones months after the altercation.
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I absolutely agree. They need training, they need activity. This bread, is never a dog that can be left without activity. Anything else is the owners fault.
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I have enjoyed the company of two retired Greyhound racers
not at the same time each shared my life at various times
The first one Wizard was a very gentle fellow loved people
only semi affectionate I did not notice this till I had the second hound.
Wizard only had one troubling behavior he would panic with fireworks
OMG he hid once behind the gas furnace how he got in was beyond me
the space was really small
I had the great fortune to meet his racing trainer at Wheeling Island Casino & Racetrack
She explained he liked to play with small soccer balls ?
So I cordoned off a softball field and tossed the ball he not only caught it
before it hit the ground he made a circle with the ball in his mouth and cocked
his head back and toss it in the air so he could catch it before it hit the ground
Talk about being dumbfounded duh
The second hound was obtained after Wizards passing
Charlie was a big strapping hound 31 inches at the shoulder
Charlie was super affectionate and enjoyed the company of other dogs
liked to hang with my friends German Sheppard I was told he was not cat safe
Charlie never got on the furniture UNTIL the Vet I would leave him with let
him have run of the office at lunch the office staff let him snuggle on the couch
At this time I was living in Oregon and kept the lights off at night due to the
Midges so one night I could not find Charlie he had slipped under the covers
in my bed. Charlie would fetch if he saw what you tossed fetch only lasted two tosses
I would let Charlie off leash in the woods behind my house in Oregon
What amazed me was he would chase joggers and catch them and want to be petted
Here is the funny part I would yell he is friendly and go retrieve my hound
Women would stop and pet him
Guys would try to out run him duh
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We are dog people with 2 black labs which I credit with keeping me alive - the daily demand for walks along the beach do that. One of them recently saw a cat for the first time (at a boarding kennel) and freaked out, he had no idea what to do with it, the other could care less and totally ignored it.
Dogs become part of the family, cats deign to live with you!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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My German Shepherd is the smartest dog I have ever known . I trained her to walk without a lead in 3 days.
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I like dogs, but I can't keep one because I cannot stand the dog smell.
I'm sure there are other people with a similar aversion but dog smell makes me gag.
It disappoints me.
There's a feral cat family(? I suspect that it's one of the daughters now) where the mom comes to my house and lays her litter every year. 2-3 kittens for 3 weeks every year to play with. I love this arrangement.
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GKP1992 wrote: I love this arrangement.
I can't figure out if you're being sarcastic or not.
I once lived with 11 cats. It was a similar situation to yours.
I like cats, but they're mean. Their brain uses 25% of its resources in the prefrontal cortex. A dog uses 33% of its brain dedicated to the prefrontal cortex. What does this mean? It means that cats are mean and lack the ability to reason properly. If a dog drank two beers and went all belligerent, it might as well be a cat. 
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Steve Raw wrote: I can't figure out if you're being sarcastic or not.
No I am not being sarcastic. It's a temporary dose of dopamine every year.
While most of the time they mind their own business, create a little mess which I don't really mind, and I get to play with them when I want. And as they start to get too energetic the mama cat takes them away.
The disappointment of not being able to get a dog is also real, I like both cats and dogs.
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GKP1992 wrote: No I am not being sarcastic. It's a temporary dose of dopamine every year.
Ah, thank you for clarifying that. Having 11 cats living in my house when I was a kid was an interesting experience. We took in a stray cat from a neighbor, and it multiplied from there. I had a favorite cat, but he would escape the house and go who-knows-where for a day or more before returning for food.
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