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GeneralRe: I'm only 12.5% sure that God exists... Pin
trønderen17-Dec-23 7:27
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Jeremy Falcon18-Dec-23 2:35
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trønderen18-Dec-23 2:55
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Jeremy Falcon18-Dec-23 2:56
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trønderen18-Dec-23 3:03
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jschell18-Dec-23 7:04
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jschell18-Dec-23 7:17
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trønderen18-Dec-23 9:36
trønderen18-Dec-23 9:36 
jschell wrote:
That definition holds that 'God' is outside the universe. That is the definition.
Now if someone attempts to prove using a logical proof that 'God' is outside the universe then you can logically refute it. But you cannot logically refute a definition.
Well ... "Outside the universe" relates it to the universe, which has its own definition which precludes anything "outside". Claiming something "outside" implies that you reject the definition of the universe. Similarly, you cannot define a god that existed "before Big Bang", because time itself started at BB. There cannot be any "before BB", not even for a god.

To make it easier to grasp: Think of speed. You are driving your car, braking, and it stops. It stands completely still. It cannot be more still than completely still. You can make some definition of an entity that says that stands more than than still. It is far below zero on the scale of absolute speed. Defining something to stand 100 km/h more still than absolute still makes no sense in the mathematical apparatus defining speeds. Such a definition just isn't valid.

That is like claiming anything like "before BB" or "outside the universe". They make no sense in the "standard model" (the BB model commonly accepted by cosmologists today). You may of course make definitions in other concepts, unrelated to the standard model, but then they do not relate to those concepts of space and time; you cannot talk about "outside the universe" or "before BB".
GeneralRe: I'm only 12.5% sure that God exists... Pin
jschell19-Dec-23 4:49
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trønderen19-Dec-23 13:59
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jschell20-Dec-23 5:40
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trønderen18-Dec-23 9:58
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Jeremy Falcon17-Dec-23 2:48
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trønderen17-Dec-23 7:37
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trønderen18-Dec-23 3:59
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