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GeneralRe: I'm only 12.5% sure that God exists... Pin
trønderen15-Dec-23 8:33
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Jeremy Falcon16-Dec-23 3:00
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trønderen16-Dec-23 5:13
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Jeremy Falcon17-Dec-23 2:50
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trønderen17-Dec-23 7:26
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BernardIE531715-Dec-23 16:38
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Jeremy Falcon16-Dec-23 2:56
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trønderen16-Dec-23 5:35
trønderen16-Dec-23 5:35 
If you take the entire set of laws of nature, both those that we know well and those we do not yet fully understand, and call it "god", that is OK with me. I call them laws of nature.

If you say that some entity can tell nature and its laws to bug off, set aside the laws, then I am not with you. Like setting aside math: 1 + 1 is no longer 2. Or logic: true OR false is not necessarily true.

If you dead serious present an entity that can cancel math, logic and laws of nature, then you make me stall. (Well, not actually - to me it is so far out that I do not care to spend the effort of stalling). If math, logic and laws of nature are absolute, then there is no need for an entity that cannot set them aside.

If there really was such an entity, it would be noticeable, in ways that left no doubt. Like math: If I got this many: *** and this many: ** and add them together, I obviously have this many: *****. Noone in their right senses would argue that. If someone says: I've got a god that can make *** + ** to be **** or ******! then I consider that person not to be in his right senses, even if he refers to something he calls 'god'. As long as that god is not willing to really show his ability to set my addition aside (without stealing one * away, or let an extra one roll out of his sleeve), then I tend to think that this 'god' entity only exists in the fantasy of the person promoting the belief.

I will not be willing to cease believing in math, logic and laws of nature even on my dying day, no matter what you "know".

(Jeremy: Don't forget UDHR Article 19 this time!)
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Jeremy Falcon17-Dec-23 2:49
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trønderen17-Dec-23 7:27
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