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honey the codewitch25-Nov-23 7:32
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trønderen23-Nov-23 13:52
trønderen23-Nov-23 13:52 
Warning: Some of you will be disgusted by this post (and if there are follow ups, they might be disgusting as well).

There are farms in some parts of the world growing plants - mostly vegetables, but maybe some fruits as well - in 100% inorganic beds. The root do not dig down into natural soil, but cling to balls of expanded clay aggregate, being 'fed' by a nutrition solution washing over their roots. Anyone raising critical remarks to this is immediately classified along with 'tree huggers' and the like.

For animals we have much more concern. Even if we kill them and cut their bodies into small, plastic wrapped pieces, we have regulations for how we kill them. Ideally, they shall not be aware that they are being killed for our purpose. So we either knock them out with poison gas before the actual killing, or we let it happen so fast that we think they won't notice.

Many people know that if you connect electrodes to the ends of muscles (read: meat) of a newly slaughtered animal, the muscle will contract. A muscle receives the energy it needs to do its work though the blood (and some minor channels), including the proteins in needs to grow. Its needs are fairly well understood by modern medicine. We can feed the muscle what it needs to exercise and grow bigger, just like we feed those plant in the bed of expanded clay balls with nutrition dissolved in the water flushing their roots, and with electricity we can exercise the muscles (meat) to grow as big as that of a weightlifter.

Assume that we slaughter that piglet (or whatever), chopping its head off. We keep its body as a single unit, connecting tubes to its arteries and veins, adding to the blood stream whatever the body has consumed and then some for growth. Electrical signals stimulate muscle activity to provoke more muscle growth. For a living animal, a significant part of the fodder is used to grow hoofs and other parts of limited usage; if we remove those early, we do not waste fodder on them. Of course: There is no brain, which usually consumes a log of energy. Lots of the entrails are also useless when the muscles get what they need directly through the arteries. Most or all of the digestive system serves no purpose, and can be removed; maintaining it is a waste of energy and protein. The ideal is a body where all the energy and protein fed into it goes into building the muscles - the meat that we want to eat.

I don't know for sure that farming science is yet ready for this kind of meat production: Slaughtering the animals while they are still piglets, lambs or young calves, and after their slaughtering feed nutrition to the bodies that remain of them, in a way that will make the bodies grow into full size, although with all the non-meat-producing parts removed.

But if this is, or becomes possible, how morally acceptable is it? Can we do this when the animal's head is cut off, the animal is slaughtered? If we can feed plants clinging to expanded clay ball a flow of nutrition that make them grow, what is the difference to feeding a similar nutrition flow to the body of a slaughtered animal?
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