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Nelek14-Aug-23 11:21
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trønderen15-Aug-23 10:35
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Once you start taking photos of naked kids everywhere, it's a fine line between learning and child abuse. That's a parental matter anyway and doesn't belong in schoolbooks.
You tell me that I must not bring the photo albums from my childhood to the US of A.

In my childhood, kids went naked on the beach, or played in the garden naked, until they started school. In my days, that was after you had turned seven. Within the family, kids different sex might go in the shower together until their bodies started showing clear signs of puberty (which was a lot later then than it is today). Noone worried about "child abuse" just because you could see naked kids lots of places. Immature kids were not considered objects for sexual gratification. Cute, of course, so you might want to take their photo, but not in any erotic sense.

The "child abuse" industry has grown as a result of the body panic we see today. It is not an issue in nudist resorts. It is not an issue in cultures where kids run around naked everywhere, not just on the beach. Except that with the current body panic, we have made it "child abuse" just to take a picture of a cute, naked kid on the beach. Or anywhere else. It wasn't in my childhood.

As there are lots of photos of me naked as a kid, by modern standards I was repeatedly abused in my preschool years. Noone knew until forty or fifty years later. You could of course claim that I, without doubt, was a victim, so taking my photo on the beach as a preschooler was not a victimless crime. Therefore, the old photo albums should be burned and any of my relatives, friends or neighbors who ever photographed me, or any other kid, in the nude fifty years ago, should be reported to the police. That is what I do not want.

In some schoolbooks, photos of naked humans do belong, e.g. in sex ed and in geography where you learn about cultures where kids (and even adults) do go naked. Censoring their bodies is censoring of their culture. I suspect that your reference to "schoolbooks" cover a wider range than syllabus books: You don't want "such books" to be available to school kids at all, e.g. in a school library (where kids who don't want to check out such books have their full freedom not to).

You probably won't believe me (and certainly you wouldn't take steps to verify it Smile | :) ): Kids and adults who regularly see naked human bodies of all ages and both sexes, as something everyday, natural thing, are not harmed by seeing one more body. Or a photo of one.

The harm comes from the condemnation, the panic, the fear of something undefined but it is sure to ruin your life.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I'm proud of my country for saying no to that.
So I take it that you don't want The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn to be available in your school library in an uncensored version. When they go swimming, not only do they get stark naked, but they even make fun of, draw the attention to, how white their waists are, usually covered by their shorts. When Huck and Jim go down the Mississippi, "we was always naked, day and night, whenever the mosquitos would let us". You can't let vulnerable kids read about anyone who treats nudity as something "natural"!
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