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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Food is not only fuel. You need vitamins, minerals, salts. Also, a 500 pound man would die; without protein to build new cells, you will die. That's why you cannot live on sugar alone.
You just proved you didn't actually read my posts. I'm willing to bet money you have no idea what protein really is. You're the type to read just a little on a subject and think you're an expert. Whatever. All you accomplished was not learning from someone who's studied this topic for decades. Congrats... for nothing.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: I'm willing to bet money you have no idea what protein really is
It's what is taken from your heart if you stop eating!
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Nope. I wish CP had a blocking feature. You'd be the first on my list.
Jeremy Falcon
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Also, and this is going to sound crazy, but it works. A lot of times fasting can be easier than a normal diet. Sometimes it's easier to turn the switch off, so to speak, than to change everything you put in your mouth all at once. I mean you should, but doing it all at once is a recipe for rebounds if you're addicted to garbage food.
No matter what hunger pangs someone may feel, if they are overweight, their body will survive when eating every other day for instance. That's the whole point of body fat... stored fuel... you just need to force your body to tap into it. And if your meal isn't perfect on your "on" day, at least you have a hormonal day off for your body to work with. Just make sure on your "off" day you drink nothing but water or black coffee etc.
Just another tool in the toolbox. It may not be for everyone. But it's an option.
Jeremy Falcon
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I walk without fail, 2-4 miles a day. I never put off any chore, I do it the moment it needs to be done. I eat medium breakfast, small lunch and small dinner. Don't count calories, count steps. Have not lost a lot of weight, but I keep it off and keep it steady. Make herself walk with you, not a lot at first but little by little.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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She is right: with your BMI, a marathon would be hard. 
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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OriginalGriff wrote: I may have to cheat and secretly binge on chocolate
The only solution: eat until your BMI matches hers. Yours going up, hopefully herself's coming down.
Then you can both diet. 
Seriously, best of luck to herself.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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This may sound bad, but she should eat less, unless you want her to be happy.
Smoking more may help too.
No matter what you do, you will be blamed 
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Not eating is an easy solution. Short term your body goes in starvation mode. Long term, you loose a lot more than just weight.
Your body works on an equilibrium of certain salts, and it requires a certain amount of vitamins and minerals. If you go below that, stuff gets bad.
There should never be a diet outside the hospital, or without their consent and help.
I'm not joking either, I lived that multiple times. Sometimes it is simply better to not diet 
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Not eating is an easy solution. Short term your body goes in starvation mode. Long term, you loose a lot more than just weight.
Nope. Yes, as you mentioned, you need salts/electrolytes, and getting in some minerals wouldn't hurt. But, but a 500 pound man not eating and a 100 pound man with zero body fat not eating are two different things.
Will the 500 pound man feel weaker? Yup. At first, but you'll adjust. Your body is trying to stay the same, you'll feel hunger pangs, glycogen will be used up in your muscles, liver, etc. And what's worse, you may go through withdrawals from certain foods, anything you had a food allergy to may also rise to the surface as your body detoxes itself naturally. But this isn't starving. After a week of zero food you'll feel great and the crap you used to eat will literally make you feel ill.
Starving is going catabolic and having your body literally eat itself to stay alive. Fat is stored fuel in times of famine. Most people call this starving simply because they don't want to stop eating and make up excuses for it. It's not. The bigger your fuel tank; the longer you can go.
It's also possible to refuel after a fast and fill your muscles back up with glycogen. Your body is a living thing. It's not static. Just don't make the mistake of drinking too much water. I learned that the hard way. Too much water with zero food will make you pee out any mineral content you do have. And that's bad juju.
Jeremy Falcon
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Serious question, are you autistic or have Asperger's syndrome?
You have posted 8 times so far in this thread with long winded and detailed explanations expounding on your expert knowledge of all things fitness, medical and diet.
I have noticed that you exhibit this type of behavior in most of your posts to other threads.
It's alright if you are, I just want you to know that when you post like this, its a bit off-putting, and pushes people away from dialog with you, versus wanting to engage.
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Slacker007 wrote: versus wanting to engage
Aw, I'll engage all right. There is no need for a dialog.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Slacker007 wrote: Serious question, are you autistic or have Asperger's syndrome?
Nope... not that I know of at least. I tend not to believe in labels. I won't get into why to keep this short. But, I've never been diagnosed, and I'm more in touch with reality than the average programmer on CP who never once deigned to leave their comfort zone of arguing online in a basement at home.
Slacker007 wrote: You have posted 8 times so far in this thread with long winded and detailed explanations expounding on your expert knowledge of all things fitness, medical and diet.
I am an expert at this. I have the track record to prove. Unlike the other kids on CP arguing, I have experience.
And that's a good observation. I'm the type of dude that shuts up when I know little of a subject but you can't get me to shut up if I know a lot of about a subject. This is in direct contrast to most people who won't shut up on a subject they know little about. Granted, this can be considered subjective when "knowing a lot" is the metric used to speak of...
Slacker007 wrote: and pushes people away from dialog with you, versus wanting to engage.
Fair enough, but they're not engaging. They're arguing and are completely oblivious to the fact because most coders only ever hang out with other coders just as immature as they are.
I'll just say it like this. I've had way more than one MD conversation where they knew I knew WTF I'm talking about (in this instance). But I hop on CP and have to argue with these little kids when I know for a fact they're talking about of their arse.
The cold hard truth is, the more you actually study... the more odd you're going to seem. Especially to online kids with no actual experience.
I'll shut up now.
Jeremy Falcon
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And I totally voted your post up man because it was honest. Appreciate that.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Nope. Yes, as you mentioned, you need salts/electrolytes
That's what I got; saline water in a bag. For four weeks. That happened several times.
That doesn't "detox" anything, it will just make you crave every food you see in every ad on TV.
Jeremy Falcon wrote: After a week of zero food you'll feel great
Nope. If you ever meet me after not eating a week, you may want to run for the hills. I'll be in war-mode, "eating" on cigarette after the other.
Jeremy Falcon wrote: Most people call this starving simply because
SCIENCE calls it that, once your body starts massacring itself to stay alive.
Jeremy Falcon wrote: It's also possible to refuel after a fast
Fasting is something cultural we do each year, and that is NOT the same as "not eating".
Also, one should not be without food for four weeks without supervision from a hospital; they did that because something was "a bit" wrong.
What you are preaching only stimulates bad eating habits and eating disorders. It is healthier to be overweight than to starve your body from resources, and no, there's no such thing a "detox".
Detoxifying your body is the task of your kidneys and liver. Guess what? They need calories to function. Weird as that may sound to you, but that hardware requires energy. If you starve, so does that hardware and your immune system.
Jeremy Falcon wrote: Just don't make the mistake of drinking too much water.
So, your body sends you a signal of hunger, and you tried to ignore that with water? 
Jeremy Falcon wrote: I learned that the hard way
And you didn't think that maybe, just maybe, not eating is a retarded idea? 
It is called "our daily bread"; because WE NEED IT DAILY.
It doesn't have to be fancy nor tasty. You don't have to like or enjoy it. And you do not have to agree with science; you have the freedom to be wrong on the subject. Just keep in mind, that encouraging people to not eat may kill a few of them. But still, you have the freedom to preach just that.
I'll be using my freedom to point out that such is a sickness that can be treated.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy I stopped halfway through your post. You have no experience in this field and are just here to argue. Go study for a few more years on the correlation between fasting and detoxing (and yes that's a bit of a misnomer but let's not be pedantic).
I can tell you have no experience in doing what you're saying. The question is... will you be honest about it. I doubt it.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: You have no experience in this field
I've been in the hospital without food for four weeks several times. Having Crohn's means you get assigned a dietician.
Jeremy Falcon wrote: Go study for a few more years on the correlation between fasting and detoxing (and yes that's a bit of a misnomer but let's not be pedantic)
There's an entire hospital laughing at you.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: I've been in the hospital without food for four weeks several times. Having Crohn's means you get assigned a dietician.
There's a difference between fasting for a week and fasting for a month. That being said, there are instances where you can fast a long while, but I won't get into that since you're too hateful to be bothered with. Just go away. I can't block you, but I will start ignoring you.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: There's an entire hospital laughing at you.
Wrong again. You're the only one acting like a fool and not listening. But this is CP... I just wish there was a way to block people like you so I can speak the to intelligent ones here. But, hey... you go and get angry about everything while staying ignorant. Laugh all you want, but actually pick up a book. You won't.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: you go and get angry about everything
Chronical pain will do that for you (Lookup Crohn's disease).
He's written before about fighting pain killer addiction, that doesn't help either.
Just don't engage, life is to short for quarreling online.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: Just don't engage, life is to short for quarreling online.
Intellectually, I know you're right.  I um, ya know... can be foolish.
Jeremy Falcon
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Oh, and stop USING CAPS. It only shows the rest of the world you cannot have a conversation without getting upset. This is where you lie about that too, because this is CP... a place for immature kids. This chat is no better than one found on FB and not worth my time.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Oh, and stop USING CAPS.
I won't.
Jeremy Falcon wrote: It only shows the rest of the world you cannot have a conversation without getting upset.
Ofcourse I get upset, you little twat! This is important!
You come talking sh*t about food, I get upset. Also, thanks for proving my point; if you had any arguments, then there would not be this ad hominem.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Ok little man... you're insane. Go back to the basement you came from. The real world doesn't want or need you.
Jeremy Falcon
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Sadly, according to the Laws of the Universe, if you cheat, it will appear on her thighs, and it will be your fault. You can't win, Griff; accept your fate and be happy. Cheat on your cats, if you dare, but don't even think about cheating on your lady's diet plan. That way madness lies...
Will Rogers never met me.
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My wife asked me to diet.
I asked her, “what colour?”
"Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana."
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