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I feel your pain. Of course you want a vertical taskbar, screen height is the most valuable asset of a computer.
Only idiots remove features and call it an upgrade.
Fortunately there is a third-party solution[^] that I'm happy about. For as long as it continues to work that is.
Luc Pattyn [My Articles]
The Windows 11 taskbar is a disgrace; a third-party add-on is needed to reverse the deterioration. I decline such a downgrade.
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MS has also caught this disease that Google had for a long time, of removing features and killing products entirely 
Cheers,
Vikram.
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No no, MS does not remove anything, the morph it or let it slide into oblivion where it's left to confuse all future peoples 
Charlie Gilley
βThey who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.β BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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It's that kids' classes. They're probably teaching them modern web ux and don't even acknowledge that OSes and desktop apps have always had better.
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Yep. I've been using ExplorerPatcher for quite a while now and have had no
problems with it. Since I started using wide screen monitors I've always
moved my taskbar to the left side of the screen. I want to keep as much
vertical space as possible. I also like using the Quick Launch tool bar.
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Did the upgrade keep a copy of the old OS around, maybe in case you want to reverse the upgrade?
It usually will delete these backup files in a few days automatically.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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You were right on with that.
It was the old system but I soldiered on and deleted it all 
Iβm living dangerously I guess.
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Windows does remove windows.old after about 2 weeks. At least for me (W8.1 -> W10 upgrade) it was like that.
[Edit]
And because I'm suspicious/paranoid(?), I cross checked it. And Windows actually deleted those files 
modified 11-Feb-24 9:39am.
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The best part is that Microsoft doesn't tell you this. If after two weeks of dealing with Windows 11 crap, they conveniently delete it.
There is a special place in he$$ for some of the decision makers are Microsoft.
Charlie Gilley
βThey who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.β BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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technically did not happen to me, MS upgraded my wife's laptop (overnight no less). By the time she told me, the file was gone. I run Professional, she runs Windows 10 Home... so maybe that is it.
Charlie Gilley
βThey who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.β BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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lol, you just catching up. welcome to the choir.
i have to go check out that link that was posted.
Charlie Gilley
βThey who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.β BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Hey raddevus,
When you performed the upgrade, did it offer you the choice between upgrading the current OS or installing Win 11 as a clean install?
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Sorry for the delay, just saw this.
Anyways, it did not offer a choice that I saw.
I just had the Upgrade option in the Updates area and tried that.
I will tell you that it took 3 hours on a 500GB connection and a fast computer to upgrade.
The download / preparing stage to get to 100% took forever.
I have written a Rust command-line program that allows me to watch the entire drive to see if anything is being written and I used that to watch if there was activity (open source at my github - GitHub - raddevus/watcher: File System Watcher implemented in Rust - can watch events on directories & tail files (continuously watches files or directories)[^] .
At one point it got to 96% and I thought it was stuck. I duckduckgo'd it and others said they got stuck at 96% so I thought it was bad.
I finally rebooted (ugh) and it started again -- but it started at the beginning. Oy!
It finally made it to 100%.
But even then it sat there for a long while.
Finally, I thought it would just reboot, and it did, but then it did the old blue screen with spinner saying it was x% and updating and that took a while too.
It seems that it all went well, even though it took so long.
modified 11-Feb-24 18:29pm.
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the new coders at microsoft don't know how to do that please forgive them, rest of the people just keep the cloud hosting going...
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers β progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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I don't blame the programmers at all because they don't call the shots. It's the product managers (and above) who make those decisions which continue to be abysmal.
I remember the marketing campaign when W10 was coming out. It was supposed to be the last operating system we would ever need. Right. 
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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.... with this AI thing things like taskbar even loose the relevance... soon its like the movie her... since once apple have local ai and intels new chips......
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers β progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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raddevus wrote: I finally upgraded to win11 on my laptop
<ms-rant>I'm currently irritated that for the first time ever, I am being forced to retire *perfectly good hardware in order to run a new O/S that I don't really want.  Unfortunately, I'm still maintaining LOB desktop applications and need to test on that environment. (especially now that one customer is reporting print preview issues that are specific to Win11) < /ms-rant>
* 7 y/o laptop (i7 + 16GB) and a 5 y/o desktop (AMD A12-9800 Radeon R7 + 12GB)
Hmmm, after writing this I realize that while that hardware doesn't feel old, it really does match my replacement cycle of 5-6 years. Wow, time sure flies! 
It doesn't really matter though as yesterday I ordered a new desktop system (AMD Ryzen 5 + 16GB) with lots of room for expansion. It was the most money I've paid for a PC in decades, but it should last for awhile. I found it amusing that not one reviewer discussed performance for work...either developers don't leave reviews, they don't buy 'gaming' rigs, or most consumers are just looking for a pretty toy to play with.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
"Hope is contagious"
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My pc is my tool to work. Therefore I'm willing to spend every about 5 years to bring up my tool to the latest state of art. To be honest, because I spend on every upgrade more then I need, the upgrade frequency becomes about 8 years.
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