
0x01AA wrote: Nobody knows what entropy really is
As a Mechanical Engineer by education, I can only say that Second Law of Thermodynamics dictates that the entropy of the Universe is continuously increasing, dS > 0.





But there is a limit to this? Something like 2.58###





As a suggestion attempting to learn one part of a system of study well, probably is always going to require that one learns more about the system that contains it first.
So study information theory first.





Quote: So study information theory first.
I would say 'Shannon's' therorie about Entropy is exactly that very basic theory





There is a simple equation that defines entropy. Chemical Engineers make use of the term to describe the behavior of substances. We use it, for example, to evaluate the performance of a steam turbine. It has been misused by zealous promoters to obfuscate information.





And that simple equation is?







Been a while but I don't think that is the same thing as entropy in information theory.
But perhaps are related.







Entropy is an attempt to give a macroscopic number that describes a large number of microscopic states. Taking the "classic" deck of cards, there is only 1 way of arranging the cards in suit order (Clubs, Diamonds, Hearts, Spades) in increasing order in each suit (2, 3, ..., J, Q, K, A). We take the log of the number of states, and the entropy is 0.
If the suits can be in any order, we have 4! possibilities, with an entropy of log(4!).
If the cards are in the order redblackredblack, we have 26! * 26! possibilities, with an entropy of 2*log(26!).
If the cards can be in any order, we have 52! possibilities, with an entropy of log(52!). This is also the maximum entropy for the card system.
Each of the different ways to arrange the cards in the above examples is called a "microstate". In physics/chemistry we usually multiply the entropy calculated above by Bolzman's constant, to fit it in with other units such as temperature, energy, etc.
The connection to information theory comes from the fact that the lower the entropy of the system, the easier it is to predict the next card.
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Thank you very much for your answer. I will go through the card deck example and hope I will understand it in detail.
Anyway statements like Quote: Entropy is an attempt to give a macroscopic number that describes a large number of macroscopic states. makes it hard to understand. What exactly 'macroscopic' and 'macroscopic' means....





The second 'macroscopic' should have been 'microscopic'. Corrected in the original.
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Wait wait. Looks more I cited it wrong?
This chaos therory let me end in chaos





Hi All,
Just a sign off for the year from work to you all :santa: (well he doesn't have an icon? could well be on the naughty list?). Happy whatever, Happy New Year!!!





And Happy Christmas to you, enjoy the break, and maybe a or two.





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glennPattonWork3 wrote: That point when 'do it next year' is reasonable
The 2nd of January?
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