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Jeremy Falcon wrote: My station is that I'll naturally get along with geniuses and/or genuinely goodhearted people who grew up.
I suppose I should say "thanks"?  
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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You read my mind, buddy.
Jeremy Falcon
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PJ Arends wrote: But I can also see how it would be a real pain to parse to properly display the intended layout,
That's with any technology you don't know though. Struggling is one thing, saying you hate something because you don't know it is another. From my perspective, the lounge is where you go to read about "I hate this and that" from people who know little of what they're speaking about. When I'm learning something new, I find it silly to make "hate" my default mindset. And yet, that's what I see a lot of here. It's immature at best.
PJ Arends wrote: There is a reason why politics and religion are not discussed on this forum, as it tends to drive a wedge between people, so posts like this are also doing the same.
100% agree, man. But even outside the scope of politics, we don't discuss anything of substance here. It's Wordle, something hateful or complaining, or the occasional CCC. Every now and again, someone will talk about a good book something productive, etc. But, that's few and far, far between.
PJ Arends wrote: You rock also, but please stop this.
Fair enough, I guess I'm to the point where I've seen it all. And it seems the wrong things are what's tolerated. Like immature hatred is cool, as long as you have enough people to agree with your unfounded hate. It's all good. But pointing out that's how losers think... and we can't have that.
Jeremy Falcon
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Thanks buddy, hope you have an awesome weekend too.
Jeremy Falcon
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While I still don't quite understand what's 'cascading' in CSS, agree that it has a transformational magic which brightens up a bland HTML page.
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The name cascading comes from the specified priority scheme to determine which declaration applies if more than one declaration of a property match a particular element. This cascading priority scheme is predictable.
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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It refers to the specificity rules it follows, which is usually what trips most people up. But, that's also usually because peeps don't read the manual before they say CSS sucks. CSS is awesome.
Jeremy Falcon
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My favorite thing about CSS is how it spits in the face of the "Single Responsibility Principle".
I would argue that CSS is not a UI descriptor. CSS has no structural aspects - it alters existing structures, it doesn't declare/describe them.
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Gwyll wrote: My favorite thing about CSS is how it spits in the face of the "Single Responsibility Principle".
No it doesn't. You just don't understand the hieracy of the DOM or specicficity. What I love is people that choose to hate something they know nothing about.
Gwyll wrote: I would argue that CSS is not a UI descriptor. CSS has no structural aspects - it alters existing structures, it doesn't declare/describe them.
It is. You should read up on what a descriptor is. You don't have to declare to fit that definition...
Data descriptor - Wikipedia
Also, it does have structures and describes things. Clearly you don't know anything about pseudo elements, transformations, animation, etc.
I've been "arguing" with devs online for 30 years. All with people who know nothing of what they're arguing about. So, sorry if I sound jaded, but again I've been arguing with devs online for 30 years who know nothing of what they're arguing about...
Jeremy Falcon
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It's not CSS that I hate, it's the fact that we have to compensate for the different browsers because their implementers can't agree not to step outside established standards.
After 30 years of hearing peoples complains, they still seem to think that coloring outside the lines is a valid way to one-up the other browsers.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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I totally agree with that. I don't blame CSS for that though, I blame Microsoft, Apple, Mozilla, etc. And I certainly don't think it justifies perpetual hatred. The good news is it's sooooooo much better these days in regards to browser compatibility. A lot easier. These youngins just don't know how easy they have it. 
Jeremy Falcon
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Yeah, I'll have to disagree with you on that one, but hear me out.
Sure, it can do a lot, especially when you're good at it, but it's far from intuitive.
I come from a WinForms background, and WinForms is just incredibly easy.
Unfortunately, it doesn't scale (although you can trick a bit so it works on at least a few different resolutions).
I can set height in WinForms without problems, but when I set height in CSS, like "height: 100%;", it somehow doesn't work because some other property I did or did not set prevents height from taking effect.
Same with width, although width works better than height because for height they're saying "we don't know how high your page is", but for width they're saying "it's as wide as your screen".
More general you can say: property A may or may not work based on the values of the collection of properties N, where each property in N may or may not be on the same HTML-element as A.
I've been in multiple situations where I had to rewrite my HTML almost from scratch because I needed a footer and CSS simply couldn't do it with my current HTML.
You'd think writing a footer class in CSS that just works would be easy, but it's actually impossible because of the collection of properties N that you have no control over.
For that reason, decoupling HTML and CSS is a myth, you can put them in separate files, but you can't simply apply CSS to any HTML and make it work.
I have a friend I hire for the difficult CSS sh*t, as it's his job, and even he is struggling sometimes (especially since the HTML is almost always already in place).
Now I'm not an expert in CSS, far from it, but something that has so many WTFs to beginners and pros alike is not awesome in my book.
That said, I get why CSS works the way it does and I don't have a better alternative.
It's the least worst we have, which makes it the best I guess, but I wouldn't call it awesome, more like a necessary evil.
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I know how to block calls on my Android phone but that is not a great game plan here
anyone have experience with "Hiya" or "Nomorobo" software ?
The root cause is a friend in Denver uses Century Link for land line & email
the hacker got into her gmail which has my protonmail account info and I think they got my phone number from that hack
She has a Tracfone account that might be involved this seems impossible famous last words.
I am on the National Do Not Call Registry which has never worked for VOIP calls
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This just highlights that there are so many attack vectors to learn PII.
It's impossible to prevent leakage. (unless you use an adult diaper.)
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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I build UI's for our commercial inkjet printing systems. This means a display on top of a cabinet that's the operator panel for the machine.
I really, really hate getting "screen captures" that are phone pictures. From three feet away  .
Software Zen: delete this;
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Try looking at any of the programming forums on Reddit. Endless reams of questions about code which don't include the code, or even a screenshot of the code; instead, they include a low-res photo of their monitor with some of the code on it. 
It's a great reminder of one of the many reasons why CodeProject's QA doesn't allow pictures.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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If you want to code, but you can't take a screen shot using print screen or something you need to pack it in and find a different calling.
Maybe I'm being harsh.
Check out my IoT graphics library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx
And my IoT UI/User Experience library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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It might be that they are in a lab that doesn't have outside internet connectivity or has Reddit in particular blocked.
I do that wooden table sort of nonsense in similar situations where it's just easier to do that than to jump through all the hoops of shuttling a file from a PC/laptop to a cell phone (so as to use the cell's internet).
There are some apps that will cut/paste between cell and PC/laptop. Not always convenient/possible though.
My new favorite life hack for it is to start a draft gmail and attach the file and just leave it sitting like a temp drop box until I grab it from the other device(s).
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Half the time there's a cat or something in the picture so you know they're taking it at home.
Check out my IoT graphics library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx
And my IoT UI/User Experience library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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Well, at least you got a picture of a cat out of the problem  .
Software Zen: delete this;
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Gary Wheeler wrote: I build UI's for our commercial inkjet printing systems.
I've never understood how someone so nice can work in such an industry.
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Rage wrote: I've never understood how someone so nice
Thank you  .Rage wrote: can work in such an industry
I'm afraid the consumer inkjet industry copied our business model. We sell hardware (printing press plus the inkjet) more-or-less at cost, and then make earnings on ink and maintenance. It takes years of equipment sales, ink, and service on a product line to recoup development costs and to begin making a profit.
This has been How Things Are Done in commercial printing (not just inkjet) since Gutenberg  .
Software Zen: delete this;
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