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Take the MS Java virtual machine : it's embedded in Internet Explorer, and can also be installed on a stand-alone basis (application execution).
Visual J++ ? It's an IDE living on top of the java compiler (part of MS Java SDK), and at run-time it uses the java virtual machine.
In 1997, MS released the MS Java SDK (along with Visual J++ x.xx something, and also probably an upgrade of the virtual machine as well).
At that time, the MS Java SDK already had a lot of MS proprietary language keywords, and namespaces. For instance, it had the COM bridge. This COM bridge is now ".NET COM interop".
The CLS, CLI and reflection are 90% matching what Java had at that time (both Sun and MS SDKs).
etc, etc.
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www.f***thatjob.com
Check that site for silly postings
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Anonymous wrote:
Now, I do know VSS.... and I know that whatever it is that the employer wants the new employee to know about VSS can be learned in about a half hour.
This is exactly the reason why people like to list it as a skill: to keep off people which think that they learn how to use VSS in half hour from reading the online help.
Did you ever manage versions? Do branches/merges over multiple versions? There is more to VSS than check in/out.
Off to Brazil...
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Hey, the employer saying "VSS" isn't in any way going to make me not apply for the job, even if all I know is check-in/check-out stuff. You can't be serious, get off your high horse. If they say "familiar with VSS" but mean "Advanced VSS with version management and branches/merges over multiple versions" then it's then they sure can't fault people like me for believing we meet the skill requirement.
But anyway, VSS was only one example. Half of these help wanted ads list ten different skills, and they expect you to have five years experience in each of them (yes, including .NET). 
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 right so.
If they need more than basic knowledge they will tell you. Employers always expect a masters degree in whatnot and pay for a student.
I was just pointing out that, as simple as VSS is, there is much more than you can learn in half hour.
Off to Brazil...
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The employer probably wants you to perform integration related work, and at this point you need a thorough understanding of how to use VSS (branches, links, ...).
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I think I can answer the question...
This job ad was placed by a company, which already has found
a qualified person for this job. Problem is, he is a foreigner.
In order to obtain a work permit for this person, the company
has to prove to the INS that no qualified american does exist.
These types of job ads are "super-specific" , otherwise the company would be compelled to interview hundreds of applicants.
The trick is, to apply anyway.
I intervied applicants in the past, who claimed knowledge in just about any computer language there is... including COBOL.
This of course the "give-away", because no respectable computer programmer would ever admit doing COBOL.
Turned out, he did not know what I meant with:
"Assign the value 10 to the variable X in the language of your choice".
In my opinion, your problem is, you are too honest. Do it
like the rest of the world... make it up as you go along...
Daniela
Daniela
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Daniela123 wrote:
I think I can answer the question...
This job ad was placed by a company, which already has found
a qualified person for this job. Problem is, he is a foreigner.
In order to obtain a work permit for this person, the company
has to prove to the INS that no qualified american does exist.
These types of job ads are "super-specific" , otherwise the company would be compelled to interview hundreds of applicants.
The trick is, to apply anyway.
I have seen this where I work. You have to be very inventive on the job description...
John
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Part of the reason they have such stupid *requirements* is because the people writing the job add and even the hiring manager typically have no idea what they are talking about. If you were to interview for that position and you asked the interviewer what VSS was they would probably tell you it had something to do with the program that that last programmer wrote.
Forget knowing everything they ask for. Find a contact in the company and get them to introduce you to the hiring manager. But make sure it is a company you want to work for.
--
"The money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its rule by preying upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is concentrated in a few hands and the Republic destroyed."
-- Abraham Lincoln
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How do you decide what a sensible price is for a development ontrol or component - and is there a market for such things in .Net (like was the case with ActiveX controls)?
'--8<------------------------
Ex. Datis:
Duncan Jones
http://www.merrioncomputing.com
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Remember that online application form I mentioned below?
Turns out it was a great idea and worked very well. Got far less nuts than usual. Also let us screen out people based on actual code they provided and the Carefully Thought About Questions.
Seriously though it helped and I would recommend other companies do it when needing new recruits.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa
Macbeth muttered:
I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er
DavidW wrote:
You are totally mad. Nice.
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does anyone know where I can obtain low cost study material for the MCSD/MCSE exams? I just got laid off and think they would look good on my resume. Thanks! 
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Hi, I am a student at the American University in Bulgaria. It is my 7th semester there. I study Computer Science and Mathematics.
I like Visual C++, DirectX and Algorithms.
My Senior Thesis includes AI - namely Artificial Neural Networks.
I am about to take CCNA till the end of this (spring) semester.
I know English fluently.
I do not require any sponsorship for the VISA since I could get one here at the local embassy.
If you are interested, please contact me asap...
"Needless redundancy is the hobgoblin of software engineering." - Peter Darnell
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Just finished off a recruitment[^] form for Bluegrass. Am curious as to wether you think it is a good or bad idea? As a person looking for a job, would you go through the form?
The idea is really to whittle out the lazy buggers who just mass email their CVs to every position available. Had enough of that. We advertised the position in various newspapers with no email address and just the web link.
Oh, and if you are looking for a web-dev job in South Africa, fill in the form
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa
Macbeth muttered:
I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er
Want a job?
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Paul Watson wrote:
Am curious as to wether you think it is a good or bad idea?
It's a good idea because it provides detailed information about the open position and what skills the company is looking for. Also the questions and the sample application are a nice idea
Paul Watson wrote:
As a person looking for a job, would you go through the form?
Definitely yes.
Paul Watson wrote:
Oh, and if you are looking for a web-dev job in South Africa, fill in the form
An interesting idea, but I think I would have to know a lot more about SA to make a decision ... 
heinz r. vahlbruch ![Green Alien | [Alien]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/alien.gif) What is Bob looking for here?
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I think it's a cool idea.
Great idea to ask essay-type questions instead of multi-guess.
Now, if only I knew who a "client/server architecture" was, then I could apply and ship myself down to the coast. 
Cheers,
Simon
"The day I swan around in expensive suits is the day I hope someone puts a bullet in my head.", Chris Carter.
animation mechanics in SVG (latest pic 1) (latest pic 2)
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Paul Watson wrote:
Oh, and if you are looking for a web-dev job in South Africa, fill in the form
Had a look last night when I noticed the link in your sig in one of your whinney posts in the SoapBox. I was so tempted to apply. I may yet one night after a heavy night on the piss.
Michael Martin
Australia
mjm68@tpg.com.au
"I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end."
- Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
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Hi guys, I'm thinking of giving up my day joband going to school full time. Being married with a child its going to be hard but I want a job in programming. is a 2 year degree(AAS in internet programming-java,.net,sql,as/400,linux,etc) going to do me any good?
I spent 8 years in the military working on yuk 7 dinosaurs
programming machine code and assy which hasnt helped much,
does it take a CS degree? thanks whatt
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whatt,
Check out the following:
http://news.devx.com/cgi-bin/dnewsweb.exe?cmd=article&group=careers.advice&item=2598&utag=
Tomas
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wow, was that depressing. looks like a c.s degree is the minimum to play.thanks,whatt
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Not true. I have a 2-year Associate Degree in CPT and know more than most of the CS BA's at work. The trick is you have to enjoy development; it must be more than a job. If you are only looking for a job to make good money don't bother.
Sink-or-swim, I am sticking to my IT career wherever it goes, and most of the employers I talk to respect that kind of professional commitment.
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We have a couple of people here who are ridiculously territorial about their code. They will not accept any criticism or improvement suggestions about anything they've written or worked on. If someone else dares to make any sort of changes to any files, classes, or functions that they've worked on, they often become quite irrate. This can even be for something as trivial as changing a comment. One guy had a temper tantrum that lasted more than a month after he was forced to give in to an issue during a code review.
How have other people learned to deal with these types of co-workers? I have tried to get my boss involved but he just blows me off. Of course, he's not the one getting yelled at.
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Do the "territorial" people give any explanation for their stance? I would guess one or more of the following is going on:
1. These individuals think they have written "perfect" code and other people are messing it up.
2. It could be that these guys are not that confident in what they have written and fear someone digging into their sloppy work.
3. They may view their work as a "piece of art" that someone is about to destroy. (The perfect class separation that someone is going to subvert.)
Is it possible that these guys are much better at what they do than the rest of the team and other people do tend to "mess up" their code?
Here are some of my thoughts:
1. Have you discussed the problem directly with the individuals? You might want to be pretty blunt about it, explaining that the developers need to work as a team and no one "owns" any portion of the code. Tell them that you've noticed they get very upset when someone suggests changes to the code they have written. If this is really a big problem, what's the worst that could happen - you might offend them and they might leave? Would that be a bad thing?
2. Is there another developer that these people would "look up to" and respect their opinions about code changes?
3. Another option would be to solicit help from the person who wrote the initial code for suggestions on how any changes should be made (but make it clear that someone else will be making the changes). "Fred is going to be working on some new interfaces to the object you wrote, can you help give him some direction on how best to implement those changes."
4. Call the temper tantrum guy into your office and tell him he's been whining for over a month and he needs to get over it. (I probably wouldn't want to allow him to complain for a month though in the future.)
How's any of that strike you? I'm not sure how these guys affect the overall atmosphere in the office, but even if they are the "most productive", you may need to consider whether overall production suffers because of them.
I know that my natural reaction is to be somewhat territorial with the code I've written, but I also realize I need other developers to make changes if all the work is going to be done that needs to be done. If I don't like what someone else wants to do, I at least try to offer an alternative implementation.
Neal Stublen
http://www.awesoftware.com
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I would suggest taking the approach that they
are feeling overly *responsible* for their code
sections.
That implies the best intentions on their part
in reacting to changes, and may help steer them
into more productive attitudes when you need to
confront them.
People want to be good, but sometimes they need
the opening or excuse provided to them.
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