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signal: I heavily modified my earlier reply. Please check.
Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum
Please use <PRE> tags for code snippets, they preserve indentation, improve readability, and make me actually look at the code.
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Luc Pattyn wrote: my bookmarks aren't public, hence they are of no value to the community
You can make it public. It's on you. Settings are provided for the same.
Luc Pattyn wrote: bookmarking is the lesser value as downloading yields usable code
Already shared my thoughts here.[^] If bookmark feature is least important than it would be real difficult to keep track of articles and I for one cannot just download the binaries of each and every article and organize it on my system properly such that I can refer it as and when needed. Further, doing this would not give me mobility and I cannot refer them if I am not on my personal system.
Luc Pattyn wrote: If you had to scrap one feature about articles, which would it be: downloading,
voting, or bookmarking?
Though all are important, still, if you ask me than I will opt for hiding download option. A good article would exlain the important code snippets in the code itself and that should be enough as an idea to move on. (Leaving those who wants exact thing without doing a single line of code by themselves.). Now, I can further add that, lets show the full code (keep browse code feature) but hide download. It would still do. But removing a bookmark feature is like multiplying the effort of getting back to that article number of times, just like finding a needle in the haystack....(or lets say not that much, but still a good amount of effort! )
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I don't want to make my bookmarks public, they are mine, for my organization, and they do not express my appreciation on anything.
The bookmarking system is weak (it does not provide searching and sorting, it only handles CP material, etc), and CP has pretty good search facilities nowadays. I use it all the time, I seldom use bookmarks to return to an article I had marked.
I strongly recommend you investigate CP search, it is good!
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Luc Pattyn wrote: I don't want to make my bookmarks public, they are mine, for my organization,
and they do not express my appreciation on anything.
So do I. I agree to it. Since you said they are not public, I thought of sharing it with you that they can be made public if someone wants to.
Luc Pattyn wrote: The bookmarking system is weak (it does not provide searching and sorting, it
only handles CP material, etc
Partially agree. Current/new search give you this feature to search in your bookmarks. To an extent some sorting too.
Luc Pattyn wrote: I strongly recommend you investigate CP search, it is good!
No doubt, I have started using it. Using 'Just my stuff' helps me a lot.
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Saying that bookmarking counts for 5 but downloading counts for less than that is ridiculous. Download points should be at least as much as bookmark points; and since anyone can slap together some BS with no download, downloads should count for at least twice as much as bookmarks.
You're concerned rep points are getting too high for some people? So what!?! You have said in the past that authors should be given more recognition, and now you are tweaking the rep points once again to ensure that they don't. The worst thing about this whole situation is that you have completely abandoned any pretense at what is fair and equitable for a specific action (like downloading), and instead are using the totally lame generic excuse "But people will accumulate too many points".
Next to actually writing an article, downloads are a primary indicator of an author's true reputation; people wouldn't waste time downloading anything from a crappy article. And now, downloads are to be treated as drive-by bookmarks?
This is not fair, not equitable, and sends totally the wrong signal to anyone thinking of writing an article.
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"sends totally the wrong signal to anyone thinking of writing an article"
Steady on there Hans. We're not slapping them in the face with a wet fish. We're awarding points. The discussion is on how to balance the points.
Do you really feel that a bronze member voting 5 for an article is only worth twice what a bronze member downloading a zip is worth?
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: The discussion is on how to balance the points.
What's about this (rule per user/file):
- first download: 1 or 2 points
- any following download: 5 points
And maybe there is a maximum of total points per download file - for example 1000.
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For once in a lifetime, Hans and I seem to agree, and yet you don't yield? 
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For now, I am basking in the illusion that Chris secretly agrees with us, but wants us both to suffer, for all the crap we've given him.
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That had occurred to me too. All he will achieve is the prolongation of his suffering though...
I'm off to bookmark a couple of things now.
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Hans Dietrich wrote: people wouldn't waste time downloading anything from a crappy article
Well, I have seen it and they do. Very few(generally regular users) download only good ones.
People search, they find some 10 related articles to the topic, create a login, download all 10. Gone.
How many regulars do this? I hope you agree that it would be very few comapred to such users.
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S Mewara wrote: People search, they find some 10 related articles to the topic, create a login, download all 10. Gone.
How many regulars do this? I hope you agree that it would be very few comapred to such users.
I'll do this on occasion although I don't think it's ever been more than 4 or 5 articles that triggered downloads. Some of them almost always turn out not to be what I need, some turn out to be seriously buggy, hopefully at least one is what I need. The ones that turn out to be not what I need rarely get a vote. The ones that are garbage will get low votes, and I don't like the idea that having to look at the code to determine the article is crap will counter a large part of my vote.
3x12=36
2x12=24
1x12=12
0x12=18
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same topic, similar view, some suggestions here[^].
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Luc Pattyn wrote: it is bookmarking that is way too high
Luc, I agree to it that bookmarking is also high but 5 for downloading too is.
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Even 2 is probably too high. I'd say 1 point per DL unless major amounts of rep are also added in other areas and threshold levels updated as well; less if the infrastructure can support it.
Maunder has about 200k downloads, .dan.g. (todo list) has ~165k. None of the other prolific article authors I looked at were close. IIRC one of the prolific authors I looked at had ~100k. Chris didn't like the idea of being catapulted to the top of the rep chart. More generally this would favor articles with downloads much more than other types. Writing something popular as massmarket freeware and having CP host it would skew it even more (intentional or not .dan.g.'s article is the 8th hit on google for: todo list), and arguably is giving rep for the wrong sort of thing entirely.
3x12=36
2x12=24
1x12=12
0x12=18
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Ok! I did not went into that much detail.
Based on what you say, even 1 point per download would be high and not do justice with all. 
This needs to be reduced on to some 1 point per 100 download or so. 
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That's ok, apparently neither did anyone else working at CP before setting it to 5 points (for new downloads, they haven't parsed the logs for historical data yet). 
3x12=36
2x12=24
1x12=12
0x12=18
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I think downloads is actually a very good measure of the article's popularity. 5 is too much indeed, but 2 or 3 would be perfect.
Nick Polyak
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Dan Neely wrote: apparently neither did anyone else working at CP before setting it to 5 points
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No, don't. 
Also I'm going to publish many articles with downloads soon.
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Hi,
I get HTTP 503 sometimes, while accessing General Indian Topics forum. The problem is since last 1-2 hrs.
Image Link[^]
// ♫ 99 little bugs in the code,
// 99 bugs in the code
// We fix a bug, compile it again
// 101 little bugs in the code ♫
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Same here for the lounge.
A refresh solves it tho.
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I can confirm it as well. BTW it is not just GIT, other forums has shown me the same error too.
I have seen it 5-6 times since morning (about 8 hours) and as Tom said, refreshing the page will let the error go.
..Go Green..
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One of the servers decided to go belly up. Ah well. That's why we have spares.
All fixed.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: <layer>One of the servers decided to go belly up.
And did it get a funeral in the toilet befitting its social standards? ![Rose | [Rose]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
Chris Maunder wrote: That's why we have spares.
Is that, how you would console your kids? Seriously...
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
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