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I'm not sure how that would help apart from feeding some of your fury. I'm going to make some more changes to our vote tracking but I can't see anything specific from the initial check I did
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Well, beyond the univoter problem, there really is no way to see what article vote affected your average. I spent 20 minutes gong through all of my articles to see if I could determine that on my own, and I couldn't. Just an indication as to the date/time the last voted occurred be great.
As far as the univoter thing keeping track of who votes what and where would go a long way to being able to track the trouble-makers and take appropriate action. I think we exchanged some rather lengthy messages regarding possible resolutions to this problem a year or so back.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: keeping track of who votes what and where
We do.
The problem is one of perception. Someone gets downvoted and they think it's one guy. There are 3 million people each month coming through, reading articles, reading the lounge, voting. The scope for you to really offend a new or established member each month and have them downvote you is enormous.
We can't stop someone legitimately deciding the want to downvote you. We can see patterns and take action against that person, but what's most needed here is a way to either encourage useful votes, or discard spurious votes.
One thing I have thought about is displaying only the 95th percentile of votes but this is dangerous at early voting stages: voting then gets heavily swayed by whoever votes earliest.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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If the votes are a problem, then why keep them? As a radical thought (not), a simple "Is this useful (yes or no)" may suffice. If you offered an option to say "this article/item is exceptional" then you can keep the good articles at the top of the pile.
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I like this.
Bad Meh Good.
Three options.
Brad
Australian
The PHP MVP
- Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript"
A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
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Bradml wrote: I like this.
I'm glad somebody likes it.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: Is this useful (yes or no)"
Microsoft KBs and MSDN articles have a similar near the footer of the content. When you click them, it automatically opens up a textbox, where you can type a few comments and send it across.
I am not sure why this suggestion got down-voted. Even when I try to vote a '5' it does not seem to get-up. Possibly, it has accumulated a large fatty '1's already. 
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
Personal Homepage
Tech Gossips
A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson
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hi,
Modify link is not visible for my article
http://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/View.aspx?fid=1212313&msg=2506163
Cheers!!
Bhupen
Bhupen
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The article link you posted is for an article that has been deleted. I believe I have read the forums before, and any article that has been deleted is still kept in the article database (for backup purposes) and some links will still go to the article even if it is not available for the public domain.
Regards,
Thomas Stockwell
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.
Visit my homepage Oracle Studios[ ^]
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The characters displayed do not match the characters spoken. What is worse is that the spoken characters are correct, so the only wy to pass the security check is to listen to the spoken info.
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Don't know about you but I couldn't get the visual confirmation passed even if I lisened to it closely. So I had to make another mail.
P.S. I am not sure what happened to my old one 
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I'm seeing this turn up a bit in the error logs but for the life of me can't replicate it.
Can you let me know what browser you are using? Are you behind a proxy or firewall? I'm assuming cookies are also on...
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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I am using IE 7, 128-bit, no proxy, XP Media center (SP2).
It still happens for my account, and I am able to get around it using the spoken confirmation letters.
If you send me your email I can send you some attachments (screen shot, *.mht, page source, ...) if that would help.
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Not sure if this is a CP problem, or something else - whenever I click the top right banner ad (next to Bob) all I get is a new blank window saying "Done", but no actual referal to anything useful.
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The one for the stock charts is working, it might just be a broken link for a single advertisement. What was the advertisement that had the broken link?
Regards,
Thomas Stockwell
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.
Visit my homepage Oracle Studios[ ^]
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Seems to be all of them (current one is AppLife Update) and as far as I'm aware I'm not filtering them...
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They are all working for me. The elegant ribbon advertisement is what I just clicked and it worked how it was suppose to.
Regards,
Thomas Stockwell
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.
Visit my homepage Oracle Studios[ ^]
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Next time it happens can you please send me the URL of the Window?
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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To help with the article spamming that has been happening lately, it may be a good idea to request this site to be blocked from the BugMeNot password sharing website. Their are already some accounts in the system for the CodeProject and can be found here[^]:
According to the BugMeNot FAQ, a site can request to be blocked if:
"Community: users register only to add/change content (but not to view) ". To report this website: http://www.bugmenot.com/report.php[^]
I am not sure if this would be a good idea for the CodeProject, but I think it would make sense.
Regards,
Thomas Stockwell
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.
Visit my homepage Oracle Studios[ ^]
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Thanks. Hopefully this may help.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Well, it looks to me like we should implement one or more the following:
1) A 30-day probation period for posting articles. People with less than 30-days of membership under their belt should not be permitted to post an article - at all. It seems that a lot of the new crap articles are being posted by brand new members. To what end, we can only guess.
2) Disallow the use of gmail, hotmail, and other free email domains for new members. There's absolutely no reason for anyone to use such a domain when dealing with CodeProject. As an alternative, anyone that uses a gmail or hotmail account should not be permitted to vote on anything until they change it to a valid domain name.
3) Only allow silver and up to vote on forum messages.
4) Give us a "Reject" button on the article approval.
5) Make article approval/rejection based on majority vote (if it isn't already) with HEAVY weighting for platinum members. Of course, this may still fail us given the ability to register multiple accounts.
6) If you can, it might be a good idea to try to weed out the non-articles by checking their contents against the template. Many of the crap articles we're seeing are simply click-throughs in the wizard.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Hi John,
I agree, a couple of things need to be done.
Here is my order of decreasing preference: 1, 7, 6, 8, 5, 4, 3
where 7 and 8 are my contribution:
7) check article length exceeds 1.5 times template length (counting
all source characters including HTML tags, comments, everything)
8) ban authors with fewer than 3 published CP articles from the publishing wizard, send
them through the editors instead (that will make the CP staff solve the problem soon).
However I don't agree with 2 at all; although I have a real domain name (just recently),
I have been using gmail and yahoo for years, and plan on continue doing that. Having a domain
is no guarantee any longer, there are many free domains nowadays (often free for the
first year only, so people are going to switch a lot).
Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles]
This month's tips:
- before you ask a question here, search CodeProject, then Google;
- the quality and detail of your question reflects on the effectiveness of the help you are likely to get;
- use PRE tags to preserve formatting when showing multi-line code snippets.
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Luc Pattyn wrote: However I don't agree with 2 at all; although I have a real domain name (just recently), I have been using gmail and yahoo for years, and plan on continue doing that.
But you fail to see that I'm not concerned with the reasons people use gmail or hotmail. In fact, you have to have a real email account to even sign up with hotmail (I'm not sure if the same holds true for gmail). Besides, I was talking more about about *new* users rather than existing ones.
Luc Pattyn wrote: Having a domain is no guarantee any longer, there are many free domains nowadays (often free for the first year only, so people are going to switch a lot).
You're right. In fact I have a domain of my own, but I don't use it for my CodeProject account.
Many of the people that argue aginst disallowing gmail/hotmail/whatever claim it's a spam-fighting tool. I say bullshit as far as CP is concerned. I've never gotten a single spam email as a result of using CP.
Don't have an ISP-based email account? Tough tacos. In the pursuit to clean up the very few shortcomings CP has, I'm willing to sacrifice a handful of users that are only signing up to abuse the system. I realize that CP's existence and viability is based solely on its subscriber count, and that Chris doesn't want to take overt steps to reduce that number if he can avoid it, but at some time, he's got to consider and demonstrate concern for the satisfaction of his existing (and oldest) users, and place that concern at a level higher than the desire for new users. He has proven his acceptance of this fact by implementing the article approval system. I just think he needs to go further.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I'm not sure if the same holds true for gmail
it does not for gmail nor yahoo.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Chris doesn't want to take overt steps to reduce that number
I see no difference between 4 million and 5 million users. If the numbers are that important,
we can easily double them in a matter of a few weeks...
I too would favor the satisfaction of the oldest and the most active members. Newer users should try and fit in; and when they don't we must help them a bit.
Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles]
This month's tips:
- before you ask a question here, search CodeProject, then Google;
- the quality and detail of your question reflects on the effectiveness of the help you are likely to get;
- use PRE tags to preserve formatting when showing multi-line code snippets.
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