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Forogar wrote: The web has encouraged the decline of civilization as we know it.
I would put forth for you consideration that it just made it easier for you to become aware of the loathsome state of the planet and what passes for culture, refinement, education, and human endeavor.*
* Urge to eat a kitten. Urge to eat a kitten.
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Whooosh......... Ahhhhhhh
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At least if I want to use VS - for although I installed the entire VS (BS?), and jumped a few hoops, and got it installed, it finally told me it won't work for me.
Expressions 4 is fine - and I do most of that as hand-rolled, anyway. Notepad++ is in the wings, should something dastardly be unleashed from the bowels of Redmond.
<spam style="font-size:130%;font-weight:bold;">Too much update-or-else from those boys. My desktop is not a cellphone and their cellphone O/S is not welcome.
UPDATE:
Zone-Alarm will handle it under the following conditions:
- Change the exisiting ZA settings for AVG (deleting them is easiest).
- Set the Advanced options slider to asks you before allowing
- Set the other Advanced options slider security level to highest.
The second two procedures are required so that you can allow in update if you wish and ZA doesn't automatically pass it on some internal white-list.
[this was wrong post to post the update]
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modified 31-Aug-16 8:35am.
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Funny, I use VS (2013/2015) 8-10 hours a day, at least 5 days a week, and I can't complain. I maintain at least 4 websites that are currently in production, and a plethora of other applications.
I hazard to guess that you are a hobby programmer, or someone who just likes to complain about Microsoft, or, you are just doing it wrong. 
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Hobby Programmer? No.
Complain About MS? Well - who can help themselves?
Doing it Wrong? No.
I went through the install on a Win7 SP1 machine and followed every request (except to upgrade to Win10). It simply told me I couldn't access the stuff. It's a while ago - not that long. I'd hoped for something to replace Expressions that was aware of HTML5 and CSS3. Also, may something that played nicer with .php.
An adventure I'm not looking forward to - in fact, will find a way to duck out of if humanly possible, is when all their applications live in their cloud. And they can do whatever they want - whenever they want - and not even pretend to ask.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: Complain About MS? Well - who can help themselves?
Me. Microsoft has built the best line of products in the world and for many years has allowed me to make a good living implementing and improving upon their products. No other vendor comes anywhere near in the impact Microsoft has had on the world.
Your code has bugs. Everyone's code has bugs. I wonder if your customers curse you out the same way you curse out Microsoft. 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: Microsoft has built the best line of products in the world and for many years
Yea - but that was quite some time ago.
RyanDev wrote: for many years has allowed me to make a good living implementing and improving upon their products.
I suppose an MD could make the same arguement (and a better living) substituting "Microsoft" with "Syphilis".
RyanDev wrote: No other vendor comes anywhere near in the impact Microsoft has had on the world.
Keeping in our medical domain, much the same could be said about Malaria.
RyanDev wrote: our code has bugs. Everyone's code has bugs
It's not the bugs I complain about. It's there freakin' attitude that they will make the decisions and you'll be happy to say "yes sir - and would you like me to jump, too?". Forced updates for Windows 10, for example: it's not a bug, it's a serious invasion of my private property.
You do understand the concept of "private property", as in mine - I paid for it. For that matter, consider Vista - how it was going to make people buy huge amounts of new software because it was going to support them. Win8 - another thing of beauty - if you want an elephanting cell phone instead of a PC.
If I return to your "bug" note, however, the first delight with that was MSDOS 6.0, which destroyed the data on many a hard drive because of the defective disk compression component. They knew and released it anyway. And that trend has continued.
So - I, and apparently no small number of others will do our upgrade from Win7 to Linux. Before closing the door on my 'out', I'll leave them a thank-you fart.
But, you're making your money, so WTF!
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W∴ Balboos wrote: but that was quite some time ago.
Who is making better software than Microsoft now?
W∴ Balboos wrote: Keeping in our medical domain,
Don't. It doesn't work.
W∴ Balboos wrote: It's there freakin' attitude that they will make the decisions and you'll be happy to say "yes sir - and would you like me to jump, too?". Forced updates for Windows 10
Then why don't you complain about the other 10,000 vendors that also do forced updates?
W∴ Balboos wrote: and apparently no small number of others will do our upgrade from Win7 to Linux.
Good luck. I can't imagine you'll like Linux over Windows. For my last PC I got Linux to save the money and not buy Windows. Linux is terrible if you ever have a problem. Command line everything. I'll gladly pay the ~$100 for Windows. Well worth it.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: Good luck. I can't imagine you'll like Linux over Windows. For my last PC I got Linux to save the money and not buy Windows. Linux is terrible if you ever have a problem. Command line everything. I'll gladly pay the ~$100 for Windows. Well worth it.
Well, imagine a bit harder. But back to your other comments. I have fingers - command line - just like I need to do in Window for so many chores, but mostly, the $100? I have (for now) a company MSDN subscription. "It don't cost me nothin'" - The cost is in window, itself.
RyanDev wrote: Then why don't you complain about the other 10,000 vendors that also do forced updates?
Not many do - and if you'd been reading in the lounge, I already did (AVG Antivirus). But guess what? I don't care about the 10,000 other imaginary vendors who follow the M$ philosophy: they don't make a dominant operating system. Who gives a damn about any fringe application?
I discovered Open Source - Libre, for example, does for me what M$Office couldn't wouldn't and opened some WP files from 'another vendor'. Does everything I need to do - and best of all . . . wait for it . . . it plays well with others!VLC is plenty good.
Your angst over the Linux command line and willingness to excuse abuse (forced updates) by using charges that others do it, too - well maybe it's because you need someone to take care of you - watch over you - and ever more often, monitor you. I think of more like this[^].
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There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Confused? Ah Ha! Now I got you where I want you ! ! !
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W∴ Balboos wrote: Confused
No. That's  silly.
This is the doh! one.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: Command line everything
To be fair, I'm coding .NET Core MVC apps scaffolded from Yeoman running in a Docker container with the source in Git.
I'm doing almost everything in command line anyway (and it's not as bad as it sounds)! It's the way forward! 
I came into this game for the action, the excitement. Go anywhere, travel light, get in, get out, wherever there's trouble, a man alone. Now they got the whole country sectioned off, you can't make a move without a form.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Meaning you use other IDE for development?? Where is option about use other IDE?? I can see more more I have no idea
modified 31-Aug-16 3:41am.
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Notepad rules 
All kidding aside, back in my school days, I switched back from netbeans to notepad to do java.
First versions of netbeans would crash every 5 min or so.
Don't know how it currently handles. Haven't done any Java since then so...
Tom
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notepad is good but I use notepad++ for the color scheme. All my open source is notepad++. Only .net not chose have to use vs. Or you all have other option
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Well, there is SharpDevelop, and now you can use editors in linux and OSX...
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I voted I have no idea because (thankfully) as a primarily c++ developer of mainly desktop applications I have not been forced to relearn web technologies that I have forgotten years ago..
John
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I just spent a happy afternoon playing with Turbo C++. All my complaints about VS have faded away...
We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.
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I expect nothing I do would work in Turbo C++.
John
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Beginner Luck wrote: Meaning you use other IDE for development??
Yes. Also, no web development here (well, mostly).
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What I do know...
<rant>I wish MS would stop changing the templates between versions, or make them available as entire packages for download, there is no explanation of what maps to what, what is contained in each, etc. This kind of stuff seems to have something to do with all the ESL H2B workers now replacing good old Americans who used to produce the best documentation with lots of disambiguation, while the replacements with their broken damned English, seem to think we can understand their now on purpose ambiguities. </rant>
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Quote: It's made it same or easier for those who can understand the new tools, and harder for those who don't
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