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DRHuff wrote: And you call yourself a developer!
Harrumph. Those of us who regularly and consistently document and test what we develop find it disheartening when the rest of you don't follow our example.
Especially when we have to use your crap. 
Software Zen: delete this;
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I don't know. I definitely appreciate unit testing, but I'll take a mature library if it's documented, even if the testing wasn't the most rigorous. "battle tested/field tested" counts for something, in my book. I'm not saying it's ideal, but it's not nothing.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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I agree with Honey somewhat. She is definitely a developer.
If one's software is guiding a missile, flying an airplane, doing surgery, or powering a city, then rigorous unit testing is a requirement.
If it's a library for open ended usage, then proper documentation and user feedback for bugs, etc. should be part of it. Much like open source, etc. Maturity is also a key factor. How long has it been used and what is its track record, etc.
I've done a little of both. Validation and verification processes defined and executed when being actively used for work.
Like factory inventory, bookkeeping, etc. Even the big companies fall on their faces if they do not do this. Read where big name car rental company caused people to be arrested and jailed because their software did not properly reconcile whether a car was lost or actually stolen. Yikes.
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jmaida wrote: their software did not properly reconcile whether a car was lost or actually stolen. Yikes.
Yikes indeed!
I totally agree with all of what you said in your post above. I guess I just didn't really kick it around much before I posted. 
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Hold on, you mean to say you read documentation?
And you call yourself a developer!? 
Remember, a few hours of debugging can save you five minutes of reading documentation.
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Sander Rossel wrote: you read documentation
Both read and write documentation.
Software Zen: delete this;
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I'm a well seasoned traveler, I know my sh*t around bookings and airports and planes.
I just hate traveling these days; there's a sense of covid anxiety that is hard to ignore;
Everyone a little bit more on edge.
I had a business trip to Portugal last week, got tested before (negative), filled all the forms needed to enter Portugal (and Switzerland for transit) and back to Canada via Munich after.
Spent the week in a meeting room fully masked; got tested before coming back (negative).
I've been self-quarantining and really limiting my human contacts all week before traveling again to Italy for vacations (booked a long time ago, even before Omicron!)
I'm gonna get tested this afternoon, no symptoms, I should be OK (2x vax, 1x booster)
Now trying to understand the passenger locator form (which is different than the one I filled 2 weeks ago)
The mask is a non issue for me, I don't mind it that much, obviously no mask will be better, but it's the least of my problem.
Anyway, no motivation today at work.
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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Maximilien wrote: Italy for vacations
Where are you visiting?
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2 weeks in total,
Rome for a couple of days, 2 days near Castelnuovo Berardenga (near Sienna), couple of days in Lucca (easter week-end) and back in Rome for a few days.
We have a car (maybe not the best thing moneywise) and will do day trips and get lost in the country side.
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Nice area, especially Lucca and Siena. Good idea to get a car since in those areas transportation is lacking, especially now with COVID - also a large part of the beauty is in the countryside, far from major trasport hubs.
Just be aware that the Tuscany countryside can be a bit difficult to drive in, as many roads are narrow, bad, winding and steep so you need to pay extra attention. In Rome I'd advise you to park in a exchange hub and move with public transportation because roman drivers and roads are something indescribable (if you ever drove in India you'll find many similarities). Also the centre of Rome is "easily" walkable.
Have a nice stay!
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OriginalGriff wrote: Then a pack of cyclists racing the wrong way down a one-way street
I can vouch for them: up until I was in Middle School (early 2000s) we were taught to ride bicycles on the opposite way "to be aware of the incoming traffic". Then in 2003 (IIRC) the Road Laws changed and it became strictly forbidden, but by now most people of my age and above have the wrong way stuck in mind.
A long time ago roundabouts were stupidly to be taken clockwise, there still are accidents when elderly people who don't drive much take them in the effing wrong way.
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I don't know about Rome but I have done some driving in the north of Italy and I thought that it was worse than here in Belgium.
Were it was really crazy was Torino. The guys I needed to visit there told me it is because there is a really high percentage of people from the south of Italy ( Napoli and thereabouts ) living there to work in the local FIAT factories so maybe it is true that the further south in Italy traffic gets worse. 
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We're renting the car to escape Rome as soon as we have the car; I don't intend to drive there.
My friend will be the copilot with the GPS in her hand to help me navigate out of the city as quickly as possible.
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Good idea. Then I will offer a couple of tips more regarding renting: do not rent overly large or uncommon cars and check that the plate is the standard EU one. Possibly choose an EU car brand with common models (in Italy any FCA car is ok, most Renaults and VW).
That is because there are a lot of specialized thieves that specifically target rental cars - a couple that has a Youtube vlog and moved here had 2 rental cars stolen in a week. Here's a link to their video on that specific issue https://youtu.be/MveWqUncXUQ
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Funny, I don't find Italy especially bad to drive in. Southern France is worse IMHO.
Maybe it is because I've grown up on the Swedish countryside, where the dirt roads might not be winding and steep, but they are indeed narrow and bad.
And you might meet an occasional rally driver wannabe.
We're going to Italy as well this summer, we rented a house outside Assisi. Been to Tuscany several times already, time to check out Umbria.
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Rome has terrible roads and drivers. Also I'm used to Northern Italy roads 
But yes it's not that bad, yet I heard many people from abroad being caught by surprise.
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Haven't been to Rome, but we might do that this time. But we'll be taking the train just in case.
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On the way between Castelnuovo Berardenga and Lucca you have San Gimignano.
It's a tourist trap, but still worth a visit.
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It's a nice tourist "trap", been there twice.
we also stopped for lunch at San Miniato.
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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I'm also an experienced (pre-COVID) air traveler. The wife and I recently flew domestically (US) for the first time in 3 years. Total PITA...
* Airports were super busy.
* United Airlines'  "new" pre-check baggage drop-off system is seriously broken.
* Aforementioned airline's employees are inefficient and often rude.
* TSA is even more screwed up and inconsistent than they used to be.
* Due to the ridiculous baggage charges most people try to only "carry-on". If airlines merely enforced their own written rules 1/2 of the carry-on bags would be checked and boarding could proceed easily.
* Idiot passengers need to keep their mouths shut when flight attendants are dealing with other idiot passengers who don't wear their masks correctly.
* The drink service onboard seems even slower than I recall... 
Thankfully my ANC ear buds worked very well!
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Travel - what be this travel thing you talk about. Got back from Singapore a year before COVID and have not left Queensland since. Not sure I would do an OS trip these days, I dread getting stuck in an obscure part of the world.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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Should have come to Netherlands. It is way easy here.
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