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Interesting...
I'll reserve judgement until I've (a) read the article, and (b) seen how precise their results are, and (c) seen a prediction made by their theory which differs from what the Standard Model predicts. Note that many numerologists, playing with numbers, have matched physical data to good accuracy. This doesn't mean that their "explanations" are correct.
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I cannot agree more with you. Indeed one needs to be extremely careful with judgement especially for such ground-breaking news.
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Exactly. Makes any intelligent person wonder why.
My only thought would be that the Coronavirus has a chance to kill more than 36K in a year if not stopped or slowed down? not sure.
Oh, and the masks, worthless. CDC officials have gone on record as saying they are worthless. People still wear them, and officials still say to put them on. I don't understand that one either.
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Slacker007 wrote: Oh, and the masks, worthless. CDC officials have gone on record as saying they are worthless.
It is spread by coughing, so no, it is not worthless. The mask is not there to protect you, but others. It provides a little protection for the one who wears it, as does washing your hands - but that is NOT the same as being worthless.
Even when going to surgery, there's this rigourous cleaning of everything entering the operating-room. It is not 100% effective. Doesn't mean that people should suddenly stop that and start doing surgery in a pig-pen.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Doesn't mean that people should suddenly stop that and start doing surgery in a pig-pen.
Although it might entice me to watch it for the first time if they did it on Survivor.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Although it might entice me to watch it for the first time if they did it on Survivor.
The teams should operate on the production staff, ensuring no more Survivor seasons. \O/
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Yes it is worthless. the droplets are so small they can pass through the masks. it also absorbs through the skin, does not need to be inhaled, so yes, they are worthless, just as the experts have said.
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No expert would ever say so. And while tiny "droplets" do exist, those have more chance to hit the fabric of the mask than the inside of your lungs.
A piece of cloth helps even with keeping smoke out if your house burns, as I recall. Of course it doesn't filter the air, but it does help.
You could wrap yourself in plastic and still get ebola. How come you insist that a proven tactic suddenly is "worthless"? Have you seen the price-increase of "worthless"?? 
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Slacker007 wrote: People still wear them
They are fashionable.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
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Exactly.
Now people are putting plastic jugs over their heads. what idiots.
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The current nCov Corona virus is not a flu, and, unlike SARS, can be transmitted by people who are asymptomatic (in the incubation period).
Mutations can and will happen, which may affect infectiousness and mortality rates.
WHO has declared this epidemic an international emergency. The US has declared a national health emergency and has issued the first federal quarantine order in fifty years.
This is a big deal because it has the potential to become this: The 1918 Influenza Pandemic: [^]
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BillWoodruff wrote: Mutations can and will happen
As was predicted for SARS, as was predicted for bird flu, as was predicted for Ross River, as was predicted for AIDS, as was ....
the only reason "over-hyped news" sells is because people buy it.
- is that a Philbiner, or is it a true 'viral' sickness that over half the world has contracted.
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lopatir wrote: the only reason "over-hyped news" sells is because people buy it.
And the only reason SARS, etc. halted was because correct actions were taken.
If the result of taking the correct actions is that you have a load of otherwise useless medicine left over, you don't say "What a waste!", you say "Thank f*** for that!"
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Probably should be in the [no-more] soapbox .. I didn't start it though
Cp-Coder wrote: About 36,000 people in the USA die every year from flu
more than that die on the roads, yet there's not even an inoculation for that being considered let alone developed.
but seriously it's all about "what's new," flu is old, corona is new. (it's also a flu variant)
SARS is still out there, but that's yesterdays "epidemic." Ebola too - still very real, still very deadly.
reminds me when corona beer came out Aus/NZ - [had to be served "authentic" - in the bottle with a small slice of lemon jammed in the neck] - not because it was a good beer, it was "new" ... it was a fad, it was stupid (and too is still available though requests are uncommon).
We've been polluting the sea, rivers, forests for how long?
- Back in the 70's was a big thing; Earth was at most a couple of decades away from point of non return.
Global warming: it's also becoming a cold case, (govts as usual years behind are still talking it up.)
- Early 00's we were given MAX 10 years to fix it or hit non-return.
- apparently now we've still ONLY got 12 years left to fix it
-- clearly climate scientists are not just lousy liars, they're crap mathematicians too
--- (apart from counting the good money idiots threw at them to find answers sell more doom stories).
Now it's all about data protection / privacy, govt's after us, even the other govts are after us too
...alternating with electronic election tampering hacking when in season.
after many otherwise intelligent sounding suggestions that achieved nothing the nice folks at Technet said the only solution was to low level format my hard disk then reinstall my signature. Sadly, this still didn't fix the issue!
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lopatir wrote: it's also a flu variant
It is not. I suggest you drink less conspiracy cola.
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OK, accepted it's not a flu. I accept I made a mistake (over simplification.)
as to conspiracy - not me - in fact that's my point: the "news" is way larger than the truth.
after many otherwise intelligent sounding suggestions that achieved nothing the nice folks at Technet said the only solution was to low level format my hard disk then reinstall my signature. Sadly, this still didn't fix the issue!
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lopatir wrote: in fact that's my point: the "news" is way larger than the truth.
There's video's on youtube where people claim to have a cure. Anything to get a few clicks so the ads keep showing. News has a financial incentive to turn everything into the end of the world. The millenium-problem wasn't, but it did a lot of damage, and might have done more damage without the alarmist kind of media.
Did you ever expect a serious headline of a government warning that something does NOT turn you into a zombie? Well, looks like that was actually required.
Coronavirus won't turn you into a 'zombie', says Malaysia - CNA[^]
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Coronavirus won't turn you into a 'zombie', says Malaysia - CNA[^]
From the article: Police have arrested six people for spreading misinformation about the virus, a Malaysian Communications and Multimedia statement said.
Now there's a precedent that I'd like to see followed! Especially for people in public office, who should be above reproach.
Western "Abuse of Office" laws used to be enough, when the word "honour" was in the vocabulary of public officials, but they just don't go far enough, any more.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: when the word "honour" was in the vocabulary of public officials
In a free market, honour is for sale.
But yes, you're right.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: In a free market, honour is for sale.
As opposed to where, a socialist paradise or dictatorship? A truly free market doesn't even have many "public officials", and those that exist don't have any favours to sell.
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Greg Utas wrote: As opposed to where, a socialist paradise or dictatorship
You're acting as if politics and economic models are interchangeable. They're not. A dictatorship may have a free market, where democracies may have a heavily (state)controlled market.
Greg Utas wrote: A truly free market
Exists only in theory, as should be. Some things, like humans, are not acceptable to be traded.
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The main point I was trying to make is that honour can be for sale anywhere. Utopia is not an option.
I think you meant to say that politics and economics are interchangeable, because you gave examples of a dictatorship/free market and a democracy/controlled market.
If a market is free, then a dictator cannot restrict any voluntary exchanges within it, so that leaves the dictator little scope. And if a market is free, each person must own themselves and their labour, so talk of trading humans is a red herring.
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Greg Utas wrote: The main point I was trying to make is that honour can be for sale anywhere.
It is, but in the modern market money is cheap, and thus is honour.
Greg Utas wrote: I think you meant to say that politics and economics are interchangeable, because you gave examples of a dictatorship/free market and a democracy/controlled market.
No, they're not interchangeable. The examples include combinations of politics and market-mechanics that disprove the idea that everything socialist is bad, as well that "free" isn't.
Greg Utas wrote: If a market is free, then a dictator cannot restrict any voluntary exchanges within it
Most dictatorships have a more "free" market than Europe. We regulate the market, and do not allow for the sales of people; -edit- or if you find that a herring, then drugs, medicine, wildlife as pets, guns, cigarettes, anything we call "illegal". -/edit-
..and the US, with its sanctions, tries to regulate the global market; including deciding for us from where we buy our gas and oil.
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