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We use Redmine - I've always found it pleasant to use & stays out of my way. It allows enough customisation to be useful for our needs and information can be extracted using a REST API, which makes collating things into reports for management easy enough.
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
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What are you trying to do?
My imprevision of JIRA is it is first a ticketing system, then development workflows added on.
Monday.com is similar, a ticketing system for any work type.
VSTS (or Azure DevOps for the year old naming) - does a lot, same as Jira, but is first a development ticketing system. Out of the box link code changes with work items. More hassle if you want 1 subscription account, but 10 other people that just need basic view options.
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Marc,
Yes, we use JIRA. I wouldn't say it's the greatest ever, but most of our problems come from the people using it, not from the software itself. It does seem as if I've noticed some problems here and there though.
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I agree. Tech tools related to processes should be geared for the team's process, not the other way around. If the team has a bad process, then they will just port that into the tool. The tool will get blamed, and the team continues to suffer under bad processes.
Bond
Keep all things a simple as possible, but no simpler. -said someone, somewhere
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We are seriously considering moving to JIRA so I'd love to get more in-depth response from folks regarding what they do/do not like about it.Our goal is to use it to track Scrumban development, including developer hours and budgets. We are planning on purchasing add-ons for that.
Thanks.
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All in all Jira's pretty decent as long as you either have an extremely experienced and empowered Jira admin running it or strictly follow the rule that anyone proposing complex and/or extensive customizations shall be summarily executed.
Jira's problem is that it was designed to be flexible enough to handle pretty near any conceivable workflow including all the weird rules teams can come up with about moving tickets from one state to another (like only when Joe the manager has moved this other ticket to state B, which requires a third ticket to be in state Z, and only when the day of the month is prime). Once you've got workflows that complex, you can't hardly change anything without the whole thing breaking down, and heaven forbid you create more than a few custom fields or worse custom fields with the same name. One of the things I do at $dayjob is Jira administration, but they didn't make any attempt to contain the complexity early on so I've seen more than my fair share of Jira horrors.
Anyway, Atlassian basically succeeded at making a super-flexible ticketing system at the expense of mind-boggling complexity, although reverse engineering the class hierarchy and relationships would probably make a decent project for a 500-level OO Design class. Oh, and keep your Jira small or it gets ridiculously expensive, especially since you pretty much have to get add-ons for it to work well.
VSTS/Azure DevOps seems better to me for development teams, but business-only or help-desk teams would almost certainly be better off in Jira.
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Thanks for the detailed reply. It seems that it would be a good idea for me to,also investigate VSTS, as we would want to push JIRA beyond ticketing, specifically to track hours and budgets.
Thanks!
Kurt
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...although he wasn't one at the time (around 1976, I think). I was in the chess club at school in Lancashire when his chess club paid us a visit. He was about six years younger than me at the time.
I was playing him and made a random move (I wasn't very good at chess at the time and haven't got much better since), he immediately said, "I see what you are doing there, well done!", and resigned the game. 
Please note, he was playing 7 other people at the same time ...and beat them all, except me. 
I have spent much time since then trying to work out what I was "doing there" and never have managed to work it out. 
He went on to become a Grand Master and World Champion, etc. 
My best was an international tournament in Cannes where I managed, out of 6 games, to win almost, but not quite, 1 of them. I gave up chess altogether after that. 
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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well done!
when I was about 6 or 7, I taught my grandfather to play chess (luckily he had a set) - he was a quick learner as he started beating me very quickly!
wait a minute ...
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My grandfather beat me at Stratego, but he was cheating!
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Hopefully it doesn't castle you any bad dreams and keep up at knight.
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... as the actress said to the Bishop.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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I bought a chess game not long ago but I think I got rooked?
They call me different but the truth is they're all the same!
JaxCoder.com
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Pawn it to get your money back.
I, for one, like Roman Numerals.
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I'll take it back to-Knight
They call me different but the truth is they're all the same!
JaxCoder.com
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A long time ago when I was still young (like 15 years ago) I had a girlfriend who played chess.
I've never even once been able to beat her at chess.
Her brother played chess too, at a pretty high level, higher than his sister (my girlfriend).
I think he was one of the Dutch youth champions, I know his girlfriend was for sure.
Anyway, I played against him once and I think he underestimated me so hard that I actually won 
He really hated that he lost to me, an absolute beginner
When I was a kid (maybe like 10 years old) I learned my grandma how to play chess.
I told her the rules and we played a small game.
So after that I said, let's play for real now.
There was no way in hell my grandma could beat me so I already looked forward to winning 
Except my grandpa came in and helped my grandma on a move before going on with his day "you should move this there".
And then an uncle came in and did the same "that goes there".
And unfortunately for me I have a big family, so the second uncle really ruined it for me and I lost to my grandma who I'd just explained the rules
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Forogar wrote: He was about six years younger than me at the time.
So I reckon one of you two aged more rapidly/slower than the other. High velocity space travel much?
"I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!"
Ron White, Comedian
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I gave up on chess for the most part when I was 14.
I realized that I would have to start studying for the game play if I wanted to be better.
This immediately killed the fun for me.
At that level, once you proved to someone that the rule "en passant" actually was a real rule (could be spelled wrong), you had carte blanche to invent new rules. Our favorite was "Skylark" which allowed a rook to move like a bishop once per game.
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How can chess complete with Doom, etc?
I did get an Elo rating of about 1820 which just squeezed me into the "Class A" category - I think that's why I lost all my games in that last tournament, although I did beat a couple of my opponents in casual games between scheduled ones. Anyway, I lost heart at that point and never played again. 
I did offer to teach my son but he preferred "Dark Age of Camelot" at which he became the equivalent of a Grand Master - so there's that. 
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Ripping yarn - thanks for sharing.
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Does gaining absolution just mean dissolving flying insects?
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Gnaturally!
I, for one, like Roman Numerals.
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