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Don't let DD hear you say that! He gets most defensive when I remind him it's a kiddie show... 
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OriginalGriff wrote: it's a kiddie show...
Only people with no imagination automatically think "sci-fi" == "for children". 
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I don't.
I have a lot of SF books (paper and electronic), and have read / watched it all my life.
But Dr. Who is a children's sci-fi program, not adult. Compare it to "Torchwood", "The Last Ship", "Star Trek", heck even "Babylon 5" was more adult in theme (once it got to the third season, anyway).
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OriginalGriff wrote: But Dr. Who is a children's sci-fi program, not adult. Compare it to "Torchwood"...
That's complete bollocks. You don't need sex or violence in order for adults to be able to watch it.
Dr Who is for anyone, of any age, should they enjoy watching it, it is designed for, written for, marketed for, and aired at a time appropriate for the old and young to watch.
Torchwood was aimed at adults only.
Other things are aimed at children only.
Dr Who is most definitely not a children's program.
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Why would you do that? It is a complete waste of time!
[growing up, I mean.]
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I prefer him to Matt Smith.
The Doctor has to be judged, I think, with his assistant.
Capaldi works well with Jenna Coleman, but she didn't go at all well with Matt Smith.
Smith and Karen Gillan went together well, but I think the Confidential programs ruined my enjoyment of them a bit as they were both so irritating as themselves, particularly her.
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chriselst wrote: Capaldi works well with Jenna Coleman,
well now she's quit he'll get someone else, hopefully nearer his age. I like the Missy character couldn't stand the master played by that bloke from life on mars.
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Well yes, Michelle Gomez is wonderful and hasn't been on TV anywhere near enough since Green Wing.
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Yes, Green Wing was brilliant and Michelle Gomez was just one of many standout performances. Watching her play the Master seems to bring more sense to Green Wing than I'd previously noticed.
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Best pairs in the new series, in my opinion:
1) David Tennant + Freema Agyeman (Martha)
2) David Tennant + Billie Piper (Rose)
3) Christopher Eccleston + Billie Piper (Rose)
4) Peter Capaldi + Jenna Coleman (Clara)
5) David Tennant + Catherine Tate (Donna)
6) Matt Smith + Karen Gillian (Amy)
7) Matt Smith + Jenna Coleman (Clara)
I had Capaldi in #6 before (Below Smith/Gillian), but he's starting to grow on me (Particularly after the first two episodes of this season)... I'm one episode behind, so no spoilers! 
Gotta agree on Smith and Coleman not really working... Both good actors, but the characters just didn't mesh right... Wasn't really a fan of Smith's Doctor in general... And Donna... Good actress, but the character just annoyed the hell out of me... Maybe that was the idea
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Catherine Tate is not a good actress, resorted to shouting when faced with too much acting to do, but she is a good comedy actress, and she worked well with Tennant at times in a way that wouldn't have worked with any of the others I think.
They did write some good story lines for the two of them with plenty of comedy, I particularly liked the episode with the fat babies when she was trying to find him again.
I still think they missed a trick with Karen Gillan, in her first episode she was dressed as a police women because she worked as a kissogram. When they left she should have only had time to grab one bag, her kissogram outfits, and would therefore have had to wear a different one in each episode.
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chriselst wrote: They did write some good story lines for the two of them with plenty of comedy, I particularly liked the episode with the fat babies when she was trying to find him again.
Oh yeah, Tennant and Tate had some great episodes... Actually my favorite was her last one, mostly because it brought back Rose, Martha, Jack, Sarah Jane, etc... That was just incredible. Still... Donna... Blech...
Martha Jones was by far my favorite Companion... Both the actress and the character... Agyeman is amazing in Sense8 too...
chriselst wrote: I still think they missed a trick with Karen Gillan, in her first episode she was dressed as a police women because she worked as a kissogram. When they left she should have only had time to grab one bag, her kissogram outfits, and would therefore have had to wear a different one in each episode.
Nah, the TARDIS probably has a stadium-sized walk-in closet somewhere... You know, over near the swimming pool.
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See, I wasn't a big fan of Matt Smith and people suggested that it was because he followed David Tennant. In all honesty, I didn't start trying to watch until the end of Smith's tenure so that wasn't it. I just didn't like his acting.
On the other hand I really enjoy watching Capaldi, he seems less fan-girl fiction fodder and less emotional.
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Matt Smith was a poor choice and made sure that Doctor Who was relegated to being regarded a children's, or at least teen's, show more than adult. The show did start as a children's show in the time of the great William Hartnell but grew up over the years to become more mature in it's stories, and by mature I don't mean all sex and bad language like most of the US shows seems to be.
Capaldi is bringing back a little more mature, a more intellectual slant to the show - although I agree the Sonic Sunglasses are a bad idea if they last longer than a couple more episodes.
Christopher Eccleston and David Tenant (and the new writers) brought the show back to life by appealing to a more mature audience. Doctor Who had previously dribbled to a halt because of Sylvester McCoy (and the writers) dumbing-down the show to appeal to the kiddies as it was being regarded at that time, once more, as a kids-only show and lost it's universal appeal. I believe if Matt Smith had continued, the show would have dribbled to a halt once more as it lost it's grown-up audience section.
There is too much black and white thinking today where a show is regarded either only as a children's show or only as an adult show; an exceptional show like Doctor Who is hard to define just in those terms.
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I like Peter Capaldi as the Doctor. But the writing in the last season was horrid in my opinion.
I did still watch it, but I feel as if the writers are taking a bit of a safe route - Peter can handle more. Haven't watched the newest season yet. And I don't really like Clara all that much. Not the actress - who is ok, but the character.
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PompeyThree wrote: Everyone's favourite Kids Show
Well, I think Alexander Armstrong is doing a reasonable job as the new David Jason, and Stephen Fry was the perfect choice for Colonel K. 
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- Homer
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Bring back Tennant - best doctor after Troughton.
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Tom Baker was the best.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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I never liked him at all: too strange and hammed it up. Still, better than some. Pertwee also got on my nerves.
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R. Giskard Reventlov wrote: too strange
For someone who's supposed to be an alien?
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Haha - good, but I meant as an actor; way too camp and that lisp was bloody annoying.
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I don't recall Tom Baker having a lisp? 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Sorry; very distracted by actual work this morning.
Pertwee!!!
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I really disliked Matt Smith in every way. I like Peter Capaldi; it brought the series back to life for me. (My youngest daughter gave up on it with Matt Smith, though that has as much to do with Moffat's lousy producing. I've encouraged her to give the Capaldi episodes a try.)
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Personally, I think he's 'rocking' it (pun intended) in series 9. The story lines were a bit weak in series 8, and I think Capaldi didn't really come fully into the part quite yet. But so far, these first few have been awesome, and Capaldi is really getting into it now. He even said he didn't feel comfortable in the Tardis last series, and they redesigned it to fit him better. Even bringing back the round panels, which is awesome.
It just took him a little while to make the part his own, but I think so far he has succeeded in series 9.
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