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That just leads to them making patriotic-sounding noise but not promising anything at all (to the extent they don't do that already).
Political commercials sound more and more like commercials for vitamins and food suppliments, full of phrases like "supports a healthy immune system" that mean nothing at all.
This thought just crystalized in my head. I am so depressed.
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Well its one way to get an increased turnout.
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You should read Robert A. Heinlein's The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
Essentially the American Revolution replayed in space, the moon specifically. The lunar colony, which is a penal colony, fights for independence from the Earth with the aid of a self-sentient computer.
As they try to form a new government, they haggle over all sorts of ideas, and yours was one of them, the negative vote.
It's one of my favorite books and I think Heinlein's greatest, sorry Stranger in a Strange Land fans.
Psychosis at 10
Film at 11
Those who do not remember the past, are doomed to repeat it.
Those who do not remember the past, cannot build upon it.
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OriginalGriff wrote: We do!
Yes, about whether you want one lump of sugar, two, or none.
Voting only works in a democracy, not these modern perversions. It is large companies that dictate the governements what their interests are.
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Why do you think they limit themselves to the public tough?
That has gotten WAYYY to risky (see cash in the congressman's freezer debacle)
The private military-industrial complex have a lot deeper pockets and have little, if any, oversight.
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Our last hope is a COS (Convention of States), where 3/4 of the state legislatures can pass amendments to our constitution without congress/president required to approve them.
The Book: The Liberty Amendments by Mark Levin has some good starting points.
And Yes, we should be able to vote for what happens to the OUTGOING politician!!
So, we vote for Obama to get him in the office, and when he is on his way out, we
add some questions, and you can vote for all of them:
The Ex-President Should:
- Lose Secret Service Protection
- Lose Any future payments from the government
- Be Prevented from Speaking Publicly
- Be Stripped of the POTUS/Mr. President title
- Be investigated for lying during his campaign
- Be Jailed for his performance (for the same time as his presidential term)
- Be forced to pay for the Deficits he ran up  )))
Furthermore, No member of Congress or the Senate should be allowed to collect ANY payments or reimbursements if they fail to pass a balanced annual budget! Once the deadline comes, they stop getting paid, and changing this law requires a constitutional amendment!
Finally, it should be a Felony that prevents serving in public office to knowingly deceive the American People. Even while running for office, and especially once in it. All forms of government misconduct should be tried as Treason.
Other than that... I am an easy-going, nature lover who enjoys long walks on the beach ))
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It would be a good start just to make Congress live under the laws they pass. That is, no exempting themselves.
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It really matters, if you don't vote then parliament will not know what people believe. It is not just a case of choosing an MP, it is also about showing you care. Next time around, the parties won't bother targeting policies to help non-voters - just look at policies for the young vs policies for the old.
They're all in it for themselves, but atleast encourage the ones who may give you hand up as well.
veni bibi saltavi
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I voted this morning.
As did Herself.
Won't make a blind bit of difference, but if you don't vote, you can't complain about the government you do get...
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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WRONG! It does make a difference. Even if every incumbent keeps his or her seat, if the vote against them goes up they worry, they really do.
Every. Single. Vote. Counts.
I don't care for other's politics*, but I do care that people exercise their right to vote.
* Except for UKIP, those wuckfits can go stick their heads in a blender.
veni bibi saltavi
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We have an excellent advert for not voting UKIP here: the local ASBO family (really, they are the ones who started cutting telephone cables last year and got an ASBO for it and other things) have a UKIP flag flying on the front of the house.
I've been sooooo tempted to set fire to it one dark night - but that would be descending to their level. 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: Every. Single. Vote. Counts.
Not at all. 1 less vote won't make any difference whatsoever.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: Not at all. 1 less vote won't make any difference whatsoever.
Wrong. One vote can be the winning margin.
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k5054 wrote: One vote can be the winning margin.
It'd be interesting to see how many times, if ever, that has happened.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Those darn Canadians. 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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It happened here in New Zealand. The winning margin in one of the MP electoral races was 6 votes. We had to wait for the special votes to be counted before we discovered who won.
I've heard of similar close elections at various places in the United States.
The difficult may take time, the impossible a little longer.
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Ashton-Under-Lyme General election 1986 - tied - returning officer given casting vote
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Member 10707677 wrote: 6 votes.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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No 0 votes - according to Wikipedia there are also several tied ones in Canada - one of which was decided on a coin toss and a US senate election.
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OriginalGriff wrote: but if you don't vote, you can't complain about the government you do get...
Of course you can. Whether I vote or not we'll still get the same exact government. My one vote won't change the outcome, therefore even if you don't vote of course you have the right to complain.
But I do get what you are saying. You certainly should try and do something about it and voting, although near useless, is doing something.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Agreed, You don't vote. You have no right to complain. I vote so I get to complain and loudly. I do so alot.
Those that can do, those who can't do teach, those who can't teach clean, those who can't clean sell, those who can't sell lawyer, those who can't lawyer legislate, those who can't legislate well lets just stop there before we start digging a hole
To err is human to really mess up you need a computer
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: encourage the ones who may give you hand up as well.
As well as them, you mean?
Half of them have got ventriloquists' hands up their @rses.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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You under estimate the amount of graft in politics. They've all got at least one person yanking their chain, though more often it's several in different directions. And they like it!
veni bibi saltavi
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Sure they like it, because they can play the "yankers" off against each other for profit.
It used to be that any politician caught out as not being completely above reproach was forced to resign (presumably primarily for the sin of getting caught, and making the unwashed masses look in directions that no politician wants them to look in), but nowadays they all but give them medals for being self-serving, immoral scum.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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