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That's what she said...
#SupportHeForShe If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
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Honestly, I don't understand the North American conviction that 'Apple' is a synonym for easy, or quality, or 'the best'.
It takes people who want a no-brainer option and gives it to them. With a hefty price hike and a locked in ecosystem.
Obviously the gear is nice, but utterly inflexible and enormously expensive.
If only closed-source drivers kept up with Linux a little more or opened the source code, we would have a universally good and cheap alternative without lock-in. 
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To quote a friend:
It's a prison. It's a really, really, really NICE Prison. Love the padded walls.
But it is still a prison...
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I don't understand why you have this conviction that 'Apple' is inflexible or enormously expensive. If you want a quad core i7 laptop with a 600+MB/s SSD and high res (UHD or ~3K) screen with 7+ hours of battery life, Apple's products are priced at the low end. If you're wanting the cheapest laptop you can buy, well, then you should look elsewhere. The same goes for their other products. Yes, you can buy cheaper, but are you going to compare a Yugo to a Bentley or even a Ford Focus (the model you'd actually drive, not the base base base model)? They're different products intended for different markets. As for inflexible, how so, other than their phones, and even those can be jailbroken and you can do what you want.
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Ah. Of course.
Stockholm Syndrome. 
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I would sympathize, but...
Chris Maunder wrote: I'm setting up a Macbook
You're really asking for it... 
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Have you used a MacBook?
I've been using one as my primary development machine and it's the best Windows machine I've ever had. Bar none.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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I have. Let's just say that our experiences couldn't be further apart... It was the worst programming experience I ever had after Crystal Reports and DevForce 
Well, to tell you the truth I worked on someone else's machine and none of us had really taken the time to learn the tools
But no matter how awesome you think Apple is they still aren't exactly famous for being able to run all software out there.
I think this rage comic explains it better[^]
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You were running MacOS? I run Windows on Bootcamp. Much nicer.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Wait, I read your original message wrong. I read MacOS doesn't support Bootcamp (what I wanted to read ), but yeah I used MacOS.
Why would you buy a Mac and then use Windows on it though? You can buy the same Windows PC for half that money 
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Sander Rossel wrote: Why would you buy a Mac and then use Windows on it though
Because the MAcBook Air is the best Windows laptop I've ever bought.
(and no, you can't really buy the equivalent for half the money once you start comparing apples with apples. I thought I could too, but was surprised at the price parity)
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Well as long as it keeps CP up and running I don't really care what you use 
After my previous Mac experiences I don't think I'll ever become a fan
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Chris Maunder wrote: and no, you can't really buy the equivalent for half the money once you start comparing apples with apples. I thought I could too, but was surprised at the price parity
Really? Well I don't know about the laptops so I'll take your word for it.
But in the desktop area last I checked that 'pc is half the price of an apple' was pretty accurate (k might not be exactly half the price but...)
Disclamer: last I checked was 8 years ago so much may have changed
Either way I think I'll stick with putting my own pc's together. It has served me well, last pc lasted 9 years (without having to re-install or any issues at all) and the only thing that broke at the end was the ssd (but I figured I'd replace the whole thing at once  )
Tom
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You can get cheap laptops, and even cheaper PCs, but when you star asking for 256GB SSDs, i7s, really long batter life and lightweight, the costs quickly converge to "lots", no matter which brand.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: (and no, you can't really buy the equivalent for half the money once you start comparing apples with apples. I thought I could too, but was surprised at the price parity
Of course not, making better laptops as pretty as the macbook air got to be expensive.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson
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Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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You are largely incorrect, it runs more than windows, since windows last I checked won't run OSX, but OSX will run Windows, and Apple hardware will run MS Windows, so exactly what was your issue? It sounds like you were trying to dev for windows on OSX, or doing a side project on OSX itself, otherwise your tools would have been the same.
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I was trying to make an application using PhoneGap on OSX using XCode (horrible editor!).
It was quite different than on Windows and not for the better.
Back in the days, when I was still playing games, Apple wasn't even a choice, it just didn't run games.
And I'm not going to get an Apple to run everything on Windows inside Apple
I'm sure Apple has good points too, I guess I just haven't found them yet (or I'm not open to find them) 
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Windows can run OSX, not that it's allowed (nor the best idea), but it can be done.
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Silly boy!
Apple was "The Great Satan" long before the US.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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Nah, that's adobe.
Apple can't even be best at being worst.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I thought Mac's didn't get viruses
PooperPig - Coming Soon
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Burn, lol!
Cold Turkey...
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Ohhh - is it one of the new haptic-feedback ones?
PooperPig - Coming Soon
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No - the 13" Pro isn't much better than then Air (apart from the screen) and is heavier / lower battery life. I tried the haptic feedback and, well, it's a touch sensor that doesn't move but gives you a tickle when you press it.
It's...OK, but a little weird. You'd stop noticing it after about a minute.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: the 13" Pro isn't much better than then Air (
?!
Are we talking 13" v 13" or the 11" air?
On the 13" the pro is only .1 inch thicker, and 0.23 pounds heavier, has faster processor (2.7 vs 1.6 GHz) faster graphics processor, more Ram (as standard and upgradable maximum) a retina display vs 1440x900, an HDMI port as well as an extra Thunderbolt port .. and the funky touchpad!
The battery is only rated at 2 hours more (12 vs 10 hours wireless browsing, and identical iTunes movie playback)
and costs $400 more (AU) 
I guess for you jetsetters, the extra portability is important.
But I want a buzzy touchpad!!!!
(I'm disappointed in your review of the touchpad - my local apple store is a little too far away to just pop in and try one - but perhaps I will make the trip!)
... and Hardly Normals have 2 years nothing-to-pay interest-free on apples at the moment, but I don't think they have the new models yet.
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modified 17-Mar-15 18:03pm.
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