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by removing traditional desktop, or making it a lot less accessible, m$ is basically telling us work is bad, we really should consider abandon keyboard/mouse (and our jobs as well, probably linux as well i dont see why command prompt is any less evil than keyboard/mouse) - and let the operating system take over the dirty work. Human being should just sit back and chill (ask the Saudi prince, only poor people work) - just as what they promised back in the 1970's? That computer is to alleviate human being from having to work right?
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one click is "a lot less accessible?"
Lighten up Francis.
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+5 for Stripes quote. 
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: Stripes
One of my favorites, and I gave him a +5 for the quote as well 
"I've seen more information on a frickin' sticky note!" - Dave Kreskowiak
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Well, you know what they say. 8ers gonna 8. 
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That made me laugh, thanks
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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The trouble is that you'd need a 5-mile square monitor to have everything one baby-block click away.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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We really need a sarcasm icon. 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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kmoorevs wrote: We really need a sarcasm icon.
sarcasm?!
(Your c0mput0R is not working for you? tending to your every needs?)
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devvvy wrote: That computer is to alleviate human being from having to work right?
Our gov't is doing quite well at alleviating people from having to work (at the expense of those that do work, mind you.)
Sadly, the deeper reality is that the computer is no longer seen as having anything to do with work. It's a vehicle for mindless info-entertainment. Look at the typical demo - see the weather, see the stock market, watch a movie, get notified instantly of farcebook and bird-sh*ts, etc.
You're right about one thing - it's all designed so that we don't work. But the motivations have nothing to do with alleviating the drudge jobs.
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: the deeper reality is that the computer is no longer seen as having anything to do with work. It's a vehicle for mindless info-entertainment.
sorry can't really appreciate what you're saying when i am coding past midnight fixing sh*t which i presume most of us here dont consider "entertainment" (but mindless yes lol)
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devvvy wrote: which i presume most of us here dont consider "entertainment"
Oh, I agree - I think most of here do actually useful things with computers. But we're the minority, the "average consumer" probably just loves all the bling.
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: Our gov't is doing quite well at alleviating people from having to work (at the expense of those that do work, mind you.)
It's seems like the current administration is actually promoting it!
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Mike Hankey wrote: current administration is actually promoting it!
I'll believe you when:
1 - The Industrial States get back their fair share of taxes instead of subsidizing the rural states (see Moocher States).
2 - Farmers stop depending on socialist programs like government price supports and subsidies. They hate socialism, don't they?*
2a - Ranchers pay the fair going rate when they graze on federal land, not the currently severely reduced rate.
3 - The right wing stops blaming the current administration for the for fires when their darlings were the ones playing with matches
Start setting a good example! Demand your senators and congressmen stop holding their hands out for a big slathering of pork.
The tough words from the right about how to run the economy are all encapsulated in a single acronym "NIMBY"
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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I'm not going to argue politics with you, I'm old and from a different mindset!
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I agree. absolutely. Fantastically expressed.
One of my coworkers menace me with throwing the new corporate windows 8 laptop out the window, after several days on fight against it. I cowarly installed windows 7.
I could imagine the novelty creators hell. One of their keyboard key is changed every hour. Remember: change is always good.
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devvvy wrote: That computer is to alleviate human being from having to work right?
Wrong; also a bit an unrealistic expectation.
There's always someone who will have to fix the machine; and software will not clean up your muck*.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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I remember complaining back in the day about moving from command line to Windows 95 and how much less productive I would be. A similar UI shift happened with Windows 8. I don't like Windows 8, but it is what came with my new work laptop. Rather than throw a fit, I went with the flow. There are things I don't like about it, but I've learned to work with it. After a week, I was fully productive again.
Hogan
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snorkie wrote: I was fully productive again.
I'll be a sport and not take advantage of that straight line opening like that.
But, pretend I wrote something like 2 x 0 = 0 .
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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Nice! I should say I was back to my normal productivity.
Hogan
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I was completely on the other side of the fence. I greeted Win 3 and later Win 95 with utter joy. Win 'ate is a number of abstractions too far, though.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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There's nothing essentially wrong with operating systems that hide everything from the user, and only allow him a reduced control set -- examples are everywhere, from fruit machines to TVs to microwave ovens -- but the UI of a computer computer, the type that people use to work/code/make a living, needs to look and feel like a computer, and have a very large control set.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Am I the only one who thinks that the Windows 8.1 desktop bears an uncanny resemblance to Windows 3.1?
Perhaps they think they can sell us all the post 3.1 versions again with different names. Talk about optimal code reuse!
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Well, 3.11 was known as "Windows For Warehouses", so there is a similarity there... 
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger.
English doesn't borrow from other languages.
English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
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Well, before we had to do 16 to 32 bit thunking, now we have to do cross-boundary WinRT calls. All good of course!
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