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Question: You think doing the most good for Software Developers is to make inovations?
P.S. Didn't Microsoft work on this .NET thing?
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Only because they were forced to. I'm sure they would have been happier to continue piking off Sun as they have done so well in the past. Even BASIC wasn't origionally Microsoft's.
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Actually, MS is a company. They want to make money!! But still I really like VS, and .NET (especially 3.5 with WPF).
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People don't care if it's new or not, it's not very relevant for business. At the end of the day it doesn't matter if they ripped .NET from java. What matters is that it works, which it does, and so does Visual Studio, Windows, Office, SQL Server, ASP.NET etc etc.
Wout
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Totally.... I abandoned Java just because there was no normal tool to work with it.
Great language... But to develop practically impossible. I end up using Microsoft Visual Java to develop program that I run on AS400.
No wonder with C# i completely forgot about Java. I remember I would mostly struggle with the tool than writing an application.
As for C# and Java looking the same... What do people expect. Look at cars that exist today... They all have 4 round tires and 1 steering wheel.. It's just nature's law...
The programming language is 20 English words (if, then, else, for...). Of course it will be the same. It's .NET framework, development tools that matters and so far Microsoft does much more superior job comparing to IBM or SUN.
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"If people still haven't noticed, MS hasn't done anything new in a decade."
Are you kidding... How about .NET? I worked with Java, IBM tools (Visual Age), Borland (JBuilder, Borland C++, Delphi) and bunch of other tools/names I forgot already....
They all are no match to Visual Studio, I abandoned Java just because there was no normal tool to develop application on.
As soon as there was C# I switched from Java and never looked back.
I knew Assembler (for 8086,286,386 processors) and already forgot, I used C++ mostly for some time. So i've been around the block for about 15 years now... And can definitely compare...
Right now my primary tool is Visual Studio Express (Web and Desktop) and C#. I use C++ just to do staff I can not do with C# (which is really rare, like to write ISAPI extension.)
I do not care that C# looks like Java. It's like phisycs. You will not see 2 different airplanes. They all look the same. Boing, McDouglas... You do not expect for Boing to have 2 wings and MsDouglas planes to have only 1. There is only one most optimal shape for the plane....
The same with programming language....
George.
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Anton Afanasyev wrote: If people still haven't noticed, MS hasn't done anything new in a decade.
Recently .NET 3.5 SP1 Beta came out while I was still learning WPF! I think they do lots of new things!!
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For me, the only conclusion about the poll is that "The code project" mostly has MS-Windows-related developers.
Another recent poll showed that nearly no unix developer frequent the site.
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Just the way we like it.
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How do i delete my account?
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Johan Boule wrote: How do i delete my account?
By paying a $99.99 fee to Microsoft.
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote: By paying a $99.99 fee to Microsoft.
5, to balance the 2 vote, and because it was funny.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: 5, to balance the 2 vote
Well, thank you. I am sure it was not intended to be a 2 vote anyway, somebody just missed 1
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Johan Boule wrote: How do i delete my account?
You have to email one of the admins.
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There, there somebody who doesn't like fast development tools.
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>>Another recent poll showed that nearly no unix developer frequent the site.
That's because they are an endangered species on the brink of extinction
-SM
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Come on, it would take a lot off FOSS developers to kill their wives before an extinction.
If i may suggest one reason why they disregard The Code Project: they find solutions to their problems by RTFM.
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Johan Boule wrote: they find solutions to their problems by RTFM.
And by paying attention in class so they know how to do the homework?
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Johan Boule wrote: If i may suggest one reason why they disregard The Code Project: they find solutions to their problems by RTFM
I think your new name is oh so mature. How did you ever think of "Unsubscribe from T.C.P. and its many idiot members?"
Jon
Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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That's because they are an endangered species on the brink of extinction
No doubt gassed by Microsoft while the Linux developers are overlooked .
But yeah, the lack of non-M$ developers does show how bias severely affects poll results on this site...
"Silently laughing at silly people is much more satisfying in the long run than rolling around with them in a dusty street, trying to knock out all their teeth. If nothing else, it's better on the clothes." - Belgarath (David Eddings)
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nalorin wrote: But yeah, the lack of non-M$ developers does show how bias severely affects poll results on this site...
Or perhaps it could just be Microsoft does do an awful lot for developers.... I don't see any linux tools as good as Visual Studio for free?
*Sorry I couldn't help it.... que Microsoft bashing now
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There's no doubt that there is /some/ software out there that Microsoft does a nice job on. But if you're going to charge exorbitant prices on everything you make, you better make sure it's good.
(If only M$ followed that philosophy for their operating systems...? Perhaps they will with Windows 7, as Linux and Mac gain a bigger foothold in the industry!)
"Silently laughing at silly people is much more satisfying in the long run than rolling around with them in a dusty street, trying to knock out all their teeth. If nothing else, it's better on the clothes." - Belgarath (David Eddings)
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nalorin wrote: But if you're going to charge exorbitant prices on everything you make, you better make sure it's good.
MS's price aren't actually exorbitant - compared to other commercial tools vendors. They're just exorbitant compared to free.
Kevin
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nalorin wrote: There's no doubt that there is /some/ software out there that Microsoft does a nice job on
The only piece of software I've ever had issue with is MS Viseo which none of the context menus had any text on (wow, kinda hard to use that).
Charge exorbitant prices.... a) hello, it's a buisness, if lots of people pay it then it's not too much b) think of all the express versions of things starting to appear, and c) they get sued for giving out free stuff with their OSes (e.g. I.E., Media Player, VIRUS SCANNERS!?!?!?!?)
Do you like fishes? I do.
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Johan Boule wrote: no unix developer frequent the site
Are there many of those left anymore? They had us using Unix systems at college and I've rarely seen it since. I was under the impression it was going the way of the Do Do.
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