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... and I probably will again.
Currently I go and poke the SysAdmins with a long stick to make them do things as I am not brave enough to go into their cage. I am however responsible for the work they do vis-a-vis the client systems.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H
OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre
I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer
Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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At my last job I was sysadmin of a small collection of virtual machines and the single physical server they ran on, but that's because that was my test environment. At my current job I'm only vaguely aware that the servers even exist...
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Turn off the server and see who bitches. They don't allow me anywhere near the production enviroment .
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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I do all of it, and to be honest it gives me a better understanding of permissions, servers etc. etc.
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We (the development team) usually set up our development environment ourselves, e.g. developer machines, database servers, webservers.
If this is system administration then we do system administration.
But to me the focus of the question is not really clear.
Martin
2B||!2B
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If you're setting up stuff for Dev, but not running the entire company's systems, then you fall into the "some" bucket.
For me the question falls into 3 broad categories:
1. Those who do all the sysadmin and the coding. Often devs - even unwitting devs - working in small companies who are, for better or worse, "The IT guy".
2. Those (like yourself, and like more and more devs) who code, but also know enough, and have enough need to go in and do the SysAdmin they need to help their dev work without needing to call in the official IT guys
3. Those who develop and are not allowed near the systems. Here's your machine. Don't screw with it.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Same here.
What really frustrates me are cases where I identify track a problem on a dev server (VM) down to corporate infrastructure (VMware box mass-starting VMs too fast following patch-tuesday triggered mass updates; resulting in services (ex SqlServer) timing out on startup); send a detailed report of the problem to corporate IT; and have them never do a thing about it.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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...about this or that being broken before you consider the consequences of pasting a list of things anyone is NOT allowed to touch on all workstation screens with superglue.
And no, user restrictions don't always help and can even make it worse because then they call you for admin rights on every mundane thing imaginable. This makes regular work unbearable (UAC, I'm looking at you!) You can lock down certain things, but making a system user proof also makes it work proof usually.
Then again, there's always the option of blackmailing your coworkers into behaving by using their log of visited porn sites against them.
Ugh. I need coffee!
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I have done that for money in the past, but not anymore -- not for about eight years.
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I work on multiple projects at the same time.
Some are on an environment where there are dedicated persons to do that, some don't.
So, whenever I can run away from it I do, otherwise I'll get my hands dirty, no problem.
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I have at previous jobs done quite a bit and I think it is very valuable for a developer to understand how an OS works and how to troubleshoot it. It is nice when a developer can focus on development but I don't think developers should be "above" trying to fix issues from time to time.
Some developers think they are too good to spend any time figuring out anything about their systems.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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When I was a student I sometimes did this works but right now I need to spend plenty of time reading new technologies, tools and try to be updated.
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In the past I have been responsible for hardware, software, and phone system (not VoIP).
Now I work in a place just big enough that only work on the occasional system.
But I do stand back and make "helpful" comments.
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I steer clear of any sysadmin stuff...
"What did you say? I turned off the what? Well, who needs a server anyway!"
It's an OO world.
public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{
public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
}
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Working for a very small company as R&D engineer for hard and software, I'm also responsible for the system administration.
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I rarely do sys admin work at my home.
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I even make the BACON butties.
The last time I worked for someone else, I was Technical Manager - which I described as "being responsible for anything more complex than a mains plug."
Until I found the International Sales Manager had a problem with mains plugs.
He used to arrive in a new country, cut off the existing plug, get a new one wired on, and then complain the lead was too short...
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
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System Admin... My GOD
Then one fine day, I will be asked to do even the the Janitor's work ; after all this is also a kind of maintenance - Hard or Soft
Who the hell will give me the admin rights?
All these years I am just a power user and I am happy to be so. But these days I am doing a bit of that also .... just a bit
[EDIT]
What is the purpose of this survey, any guess?
I mean, why any one wants data of this kind.
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Lakamraju Raghuram wrote: What is the purpose of this survey
I know.
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Lakamraju Raghuram wrote: What is the purpose of this survey?
I wondered that myself. Maybe from a random tech survey generator of some sort?
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When it's the wee hours of the morning and your compiler is silent because you're patching 3 servers, setting up a fourth, planning the upgrade of a SQL cluster, checking out the load balancer and then you've just made a mental note to check backups, you find yourself wondering "am I the only one doing this?". Also known as "misery likes company".
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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I should have guessed that it is you Chris, who wants this survey.
Quote: "am I the only one doing this?"
Haa "The Les Misérables"
But you know few like me have the previlage to just wait (or time pass) till the actual so called sys admin enters the scene.
Quote: "misery likes company".
Bravo +5.
See, now you are an poet or is that the admin work bringing the hidden poet inside you?
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Chris Maunder is being nice in the way he posed the question.
He really wanted to know how many of you are hamsters (a la the hamsters which supposedly are running the Codeproject servers).
Soon there will be surveys that will determine if we are the types of animals that appear on the covers of the O'Reilly books.
There will be a proper taxonomy of all the Users, Superusers, Power Users, Programmers, Programmer Analysts, Systems Analysts, Systems Engineers, Team Leaders, Project Managers, Project Directors, etc.
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Lakamraju Raghuram wrote: What is the purpose of this survey, any guess?
Voting in it gives participation points; the one type that you can't carpal tunnel you way to platinum.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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