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the Paraclete of Gaborka.
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Wizard.
I read stuff which nobody else understands.
Then I say stuff which nobody else understands.
Then I do something with the computer which nobody else understands.
Then the computer does something which nobody else understands.
But everybody expects miracles from me every day.
"I just exchanged opinions with my boss. I went in with mine and came out with his." - me, 2011
--- I am endeavoring, Madam, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins - Mr. Spock 1935 and me 2011
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fascinating
d{^__^}b - it's time to fly
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We do not only have titles, but we also have functional roles, to meet the regulations and system processes.
E.G.
A Technician, may have his discipline job Title, e.g. Ops Elec Tech, but he will also have a functional role within the permit to work systems, e.g. Isolating Authority, Area Authority.
Take my job title, (see my profile and associated link) you will see that it is an industry aligned title that also fits in with legislation.
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We have formal, very regulated titles but do work that overlappes other titles.
My job title is a software tester but I'm doing java plugin development at the
moment and do some scripting when needed. There isn't always testing work to do
and then resouces gets shifted around and that is how we grow into "higher" titles.
"Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence."
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You've got to be joking, I work in the finance industry in Asia, we LOVE titles, some will sit around and tweak their titles, take them out and play with them, make sure they are nice and shiny. Name panels, business cards, email signatures they all have their titles.
I on the other hand don't give a rats, after 5 years and umpteen department name changes I no longer know (nor care) what the current name is. As a contractor I am glad I don't have to care.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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This is Germany, right, everyone has a title. In this room we are all Software Engineers. If we walk into the next room we become Systems Engineers. If we go into the lab to test we are Test Engineers. The guy whose turn it is to herd us is the Project Responsible Man. The guy who signs the holiday chits is the Group Leader, there is also a Head of Dept. All of us are more or less interchangeable, we just do the work that's there. We don't have business cards, we know the other guys by first name.
Now two stories up it's a different story. The tie-wearers care passionately about titles because it's all they have. They move from Program Manager to Sales Manager and buy big cars, get new cards printed every month, but deep down they know we despise them.
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RedSonja wrote: but deep down they know we despise them.
I see - things are a bit different in Germany. In the USA, they know we despise them right up front, or, more correctly, we can look one another in the eye with that fresh clean feeling of disgusted contempt.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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I agree, we are pretty blatant about it.
"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!"
— Hunter S. Thompson
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No, we only hire commoners. Never found any Royalty who could program.
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Were I work all developers are called developer (officially), regardless of your experience/responsibilities.
Your actual job is described in the responsibilities addendum in your contract.
Personally I don't care what title I have, as long as my pay reflects on the responsibilities I have. i.e. The more responsibilities, the higher the pay.
For €120000 p/a they can call me the janitor, I couldn't care less.
In my experience most title seekers are only interested in the social status that comes with the title, and do not necessarily have the skills to perform the job.
Ego non sum semper iustus tamen Ego sum nunquam nefas!
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I do not mention titles in my CV as most of my career I have worked as an Independent Contractor, with the job title Consultant.
This would mean that for 15 years I never got a promotion.
Then also judging from most of the comments a persons title more then likely gives no indication of the work that they perform.
So if a title blows someones hair back, then good for them.
My CV Layout is as follows
[Personal Details]
Work History
Company:
From:
To:
Responibilities:
[Memberships]...
Ego non sum semper iustus tamen Ego sum nunquam nefas!
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I've seen it first hand, it really comes down to years of experience in the industry. For example, at one company, most people become senior ~5 years at the place. When they apply elsewhere, they might not be considered for a senior role, they may get hired and even keep the title for posterity sake, but more often than not their income will be based on experience and skill, and previous salary, not title.
"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!"
— Hunter S. Thompson
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sucram wrote: Personally I don't care what title I have, as long as my pay reflects on the
responsibilities I have. i.e. The more responsibilities, the higher the
pay.
In general I agree, but in many companies both responsibilities and pay are tied to the title.
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In many companies I worked for they have puppet managers/team lead with title and no authority.
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very general titles, like Assistant Software Engineer, Sr Software Engineer etc.
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You from ACN?
Ignorance of the ability brings disability.
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But not down in the trenches.
As a contractor I consider myself a "guest worker".
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: I consider myself a "guest worker".
Can't get any lower, can you?
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...but I think I'm the only one that actually referred to myself that way (if you don't count the HR dismissal letter, that is).
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010 ----- You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010 ----- "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: ...but I think I'm the only one that actually referred to myself that way
Maybe its because you never told others that your real name was Klothar. JK
Ignorance of the ability brings disability.
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I don't see how they couldn't know - I had a nameplate made up (Klothar - DOMH") and everything. I couldn't fit the whole thing on the name plate so I had to abbreviate. I was fine until someone asked me what "DOMH" stood for.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010 ----- You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010 ----- "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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I don't actually remember. Seem to have gotten off to a rather slow start this morning.
Let me know if you get any ideas.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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I have a job title; but I can't remember what it is. The titles change whenever the management play musical chairs. Most job titles seem to be invented by people who have not the slightest clue what the person that they bestow it on does; and they seem to be based on the old three-word random job title generators.
Pick (up to) one word from each section, but not the same word from multiple sections:
a) Junior, Senior, Professional, Assistant, General, Trainee
b) Programmer, Tester, Database, Systems, Functional, Application, Analyst
c) Analyst, Administrator, Professional, Specialist, Practitioner, Developer, Designer
P.S. Just checked ... apparently I am a "Senior Application Specialist" Whoopee!
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