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Ahh. I misread the question as I answered "I expect nothing to be improved". That was not my exact answer as I expect something to be better but I also expect bugs that will limit usability in some way.
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There are two questions.
"What are you actually expecting from Visual Studio 2010 now that it's been unleashed on us developers?" was the one I answered.
"What are you hoping for?" Did not answer that..
Rob Grainger wrote: I hope for and what I expect are likely different things
I agree these are different questions and I would answer differently for each.
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John
modified on Thursday, April 22, 2010 4:14 PM
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I submitted multiple bug reports for VS2K8. At least one of them is claimed to be fixed in VS2K10. I would hope that they put considerable effort into fixing the crashes, the looooooooooooong waits, the display bugs, as well as anything else I've missed.
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CSharpner.com wrote: the display bugs
Didn't they scrap the GUI and replace it with a WPF solution.
John
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Yes. And we lost bitmapped fonts in the process in our choice of editor fonts since WPF doesn't support bitmapped fonts. So, now I've lost my favorite editor font of all time "FixedSys". Consolis seems to be somewhat acceptable, but I really want my FixedSys back. Oh! Had to go through the entire long list of "display items" for that font and set them all to bold. If it's not bold, it's difficult for me to read.
I haven't run into any bugs YET (but I JUST started using it a couple days ago
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I just acquired this new visual studio 2010 professional. I am looking forward to try out the test unit that comes with this package.
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We have a stubborn admin who doesn't give us new versions till the bugs are out, so we always have to wait a year or so. We have enough bugs of our own without having to find Microsoft's as well. I do like new versions though, just for the novelty.
I am still waiting for Visual C++ to have the brilliant ability to push the debugger pointer back a few lines, change a variable, and let it try again. You can do it in Visual Basic.
Microsoft or not, we're stuck with it. Hey, better than hand-editing with vi.
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download trial version of 2010 or express editions.
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Unfortunately we don't get a choice in this. The customer tells us what to use. As a rule our admin (who is a saint and a genius) knows what he's doing.
If I downloaded 2010 I would only be unhappy about what I am missing!
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Sounds like wise management to me. Adopting new versions too early feels a lot like being a beta tester at times in this day and age.
Steve
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If you have to ask, no.
The Ultimate edition basically targets "it's more expensive for us to figure out what we need, than just buing the most expensive one".
It's a professional developers tool, I guess the market isn't that big. (Dario told me of an estimate of half a million companies for windows development - but most of them will probably swing by with express edition and pirated copies - if they rely on VS at all).
MS was very ambitous with one IDE for everything. It sounds like a good idea and a great effort saver in theory, but from experience, the little differences drive up cost. As someone noted poignantly, we share 96% of our genes with chimps - but the knack is in the difference.
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If I am not mistaking that also includes all the TFS stuff also. I am not sure if everyone on the TEAM needs to get that or if you can purchase a mixture to get your team set up.
I do agree though, MS is starting to price themselves a bit high. But they Do offer programs like Bizspark and others to help out here a bit.
Going through this right now myself in fact.
Don't have all the answers yet either.
It's gotten much more confusing now that they 'bundle' stuff together.
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TFS is going for free with every edition of VS2010. Plus MS SQL 2008 and Windows 2008 that comes with TFS.
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Really, I just installed our MSDN copy of VS2010 Ultimate and can find no sign of TFS "out-of-the-box".
(Of course through MSDN we can download this, but it does lead to me think that the server components of TFS are not in VS2010).
Browsing through MS's website's, this is a really hard thing to be sure of - a bad thing when they're trying to persuade people to part with $10K
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I never said that it's installing along with vs2010
All I said is that with every commercial version of vs2010 you get license for TFS 2010. But yes, you have to download and install it separately.
On the other hand, Team Explorer is included in vs2010 installation and will be available without any additional moves on your part.
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Thanks, that clears it up - I was wondering!
(I didn't expect it to install by default, but thought it may be on the ISO).
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Not only Ultimate but all the VS10 edition's price should be lower.
It is way to high to buy now and guest what every 2 years MS comes with its new version.
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Since these are Microsoft products I expect that the bells and whistles they added to have several bugs that get fixed by the weekly updates.
There will be things that eventually will make a difference but you will need to have a new project to try them out on.
Sorry for the rant but I have been disappointed by the hype given Microsoft products in the past.
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djj55 wrote: Since these are Microsoft products I expect that the bells and whistles they added to have several bugs that get fixed by the weekly updates.
I expect a lot of hotfixes to make standard functionality not crash the GUI.
John
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djj55 wrote: several bugs that get fixed by the weekly updates
What do you mean weekly? That would be brilliant if it was that often!
Kevin
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It just seems weekly. They even had a t-shirt that said something like "Have you downloaded your security patch today?"
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I'm all for weekly security patches instead of waiting for critical bug fixes for months (like with almost every other big company: Apple, Adobe, Sun...)
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The biggest problem is the security fixes generally do not have anything to do with the GUI and functional bugs that are inrtoduced in each new version of Visual Studio. For those you have to wait for hotfixes or service packs or the next version.
John
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I didn't see a single improvement for c++ users in VS 2008, so I'm not even going to bother with 2010. (and no, I'm not a language puritan so I don't care about c++.oX )
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