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GeneralRe: I'm only 12.5% sure that God exists... Pin
Jeremy Falcon17-Dec-23 2:49
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trønderen17-Dec-23 7:27
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Jeremy Falcon18-Dec-23 2:35
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trønderen18-Dec-23 2:55
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GeneralRe: I'm only 12.5% sure that God exists... Pin
Jeremy Falcon18-Dec-23 2:56
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trønderen18-Dec-23 3:03
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jschell18-Dec-23 7:04
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jschell18-Dec-23 7:17
jschell18-Dec-23 7:17 
trønderen wrote:
Like setting aside math:


You can believe that of course.

But logically it is not true given a general description/definition of 'God' (judeo-christian.)

That definition holds that 'God' is outside the universe. That is the definition.

Now if someone attempts to prove using a logical proof that 'God' is outside the universe then you can logically refute it. But you cannot logically refute a definition. One can only accept it or refuse it (or as I suggested elsewhere just ignore the question entirely.)

trønderen wrote:
If there really was such an entity, it would be noticeable,


That however is you attempting to prove it. And that simply is not possible.

How do I refute your general proof? By the very definition of 'God' (all knowing, seeing, powerful.) Any way in which you could 'notice' him would have or could have been already accounted for because of the very attributes that the definition provides.

trønderen wrote:
I tend to think that this 'god' entity only exists in the fantasy of the person promoting the belief.


Certainly one can hold that as a belief. But proving it is quite a bit different.

trønderen wrote:
I will not be willing to cease believing in math, logic and laws of nature


Noting of course that all of those do require belief. Excluding of course the hypocrisy of humans and example would be that someone could just dismiss logic itself. You cannot prove the logic itself exists. Not even if you accept logic. It can only be 'believed' in (to some matter of degree.)

Same applies to the others that you mentioned.

Keep in mind that I am not claiming that 'God' exists. But rather just pointing out that there is nothing that one can logically state as an absolute. But one can believe in many things.
GeneralRe: I'm only 12.5% sure that God exists... Pin
trønderen18-Dec-23 9:36
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jschell19-Dec-23 4:49
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Jeremy Falcon17-Dec-23 2:48
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