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Marco Bertschi wrote: I believe the main issue is that a smart phone can be loaded with dumb apps is often (miss)used by dumb people.
FTFY
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They create dumb apps because the know their market.
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It is not a problem for iPhone owners. They have clearly already had a lobotomy, so their phone doesn't need one. 
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And Apple will reduce the "smartness" of your iPhone each time they release a new version (to conserve your battery life, of course).
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The real problem is poor app design. In many cases, programmers take an application that runs on a PC and try to cram all of its features into the app that runs on a smartphone. A smartphone has a much smaller screen and limited input methods, resulting in an app that is full-featured, but difficult to use. They would do better by only including the features that you have to have on a smartphone, leaving the rest for the PC.
For example, Microsoft Outlook allows you to set rules that define the folders where e-mails are stored. This functionality exists on the PC version, but not on the smartphone version.
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just curious:
have you ever met anyone that actually does ms office (excel, word) on a phone?
-> if so, were they (1) happy with it, (2) competent, (3) productive, (4) completely nuts ?
not tablets, but actually on a phone.
(last couple of samsung phones those were installed - or the icons at least - until I wiped them)
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I have WPS office on my phone, and I do open DOCX and XLSX files on it - but only to read them, it's too much of a PITA to edit them at all.
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I've used Word on a phone but it wasn't for writing a completely new document. It was to review one a coworker sent via email and make updates/changes to it.
(1) Not 100% happy, it worked but was missing options like change tracking which are also missing from Office Online, (2) I'd like to think so, (3) Most of the time, (4) Open to debate.
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wow, normally I have problems changing 1 word in a text message (trying to get the stupid cursor to the right place with old bent fat fingers - anoying).
but I'm impressed somebody would actually edit a doc on a phone, always thought it was some sort of joke.
again I'm too old for that - at least that's my excuse [for anything too hard]:
for me stuff like that has to wait till I get home/actual office and can use a normal keyboard etc.
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I'd never use it to create a doc or do serious editing, it's way to clunky for that. However for reading it is fine and making minor edits like changing a word or two isn't impossible.
Waiting to get home/office for a normal keyboard would still be my preference but sometimes I don't have the time or luxury due to one or two semi important customers and their randomly self created deadlines.
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I use Outlook on a phone. I have also used Word and Excel to view (not edit) documents on my phone.
I agree that a full version of Word or Excel on a phone would be nuts; see my original message.
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I'm holding out for the "do what I mean, not what I say" button.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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I have an el-cheapo Win 10 Intel Atom tablet which runs out of puff very easily. Does anybody have a suggestion for an email app with a small footprint? I don't want a cloud subscription.
I bought the thing to replace a Windows XP netbook from 2003 which is loosing its puff even faster!
Ta everso.
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I have used Thunderbird on my netbook - not sure on its exact footprint.
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Thanks for that. I know of Thunderbird, but it being a bit all-encompassing, it may be a tad heavy for 2 GB/16 GB. One of its good points, though, is that I can put the data file on my 200 GB D drive. It seems some of the free ones don't let you do that.
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I also use it to back up my online email - in case some nefarious hacker deleted my online mail...
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I use Live Mail, which still works fine, according to Task Manager it's only using 31.4MB.
It's hard to find because MS withdrew the Windows Live Essentials it's part of, but a quick google normally finds the download.
Looks like Outlook Express, acts like Outlook Express. What more can I say?
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Thanks - that sounds just the ticket. Off to look for it now.
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Look for either "Windows-essentials-2012-en.exe" or "wlsetup-all.exe" - they are the same file, I believe, and should be 130MB.
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I found it, downloaded it, and installed it - not! Despite all sorts of magical rites, slaughtered chickens and diabolical incantations it absolutely refused to install multiple times - although the icons did manage to show up on the desktop. I subsequently went on a hunt and found Claws-Mail - reputably with a very small footprint.
It installed right away, and I will get back to y'all later about whether it was worth the effort.
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I forgot to mention: download the file, disconnect the network, install, reconnect the network.
Apparently the installer tries to check for a updated version with MS, gets a "no such page" response and decides to kill itself. No internet, no update, no problem!
Sorry about that - it's been a while since I installed it!
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Hi,
I ran into a problem with thunderbird on my, I admit nearly 5 year old, windows 10 machine. Every now and again it was unable to get my gmail stuff although I could see emails were received on the gmail web page. In essence on some days it worked while at least 1 or 2 days during the week it did not.
I played around with various email clients but none of them met what I needed.
In the end I tried the built in mail client in Windows 10.
It took a while to sync the 400MB of email data accumulated over the years but in the end it does exactly what I need it to do: a simple basic email client without any bells or whistles which in contrast to thunderbird has not missed a beat yet ( 3 weeks or so ).
I do not know how much the footprint is but it is built in so it probably does not add all that much once you activate it. Reportedly it has a lot less functionality than Outlook so it may require less memory.
Not sure if it will meet your needs but personally I like it for now.
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Chris C-B wrote: I bought the thing to replace a Windows XP netbook from 2003 which is loosing its puff even faster!
That'd be a great candidate for a lightweight Linux distribution. I've used Lubuntu on mine for a while...then Fedora...then, one of the lesser-known ones...Zorin I think...?
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Hmmm - not a bad idea. I think I might just do that! I actually gave it a bit of a speed boost five years ago by giving it an SSD.
I guess it's either that or MS-DOS! 
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So yesterday I go up in the morning to find that I was getting an Authentication Error on my home Wifi. Sure enough, my password that I had for at least 2 years didn't work.
I called up my ISP which rhymes with Denture-y Fink. To make a long story short, they changed something and now they do not allow spaces to be in a password phrase. They had to reset my password because I couldn't get in with my disallowed passwords any more.
My question to you who deal with security is, do you restrict what characters can be in a password? and why?
Thanks for letting me gripe.
Brent
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