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Slacker007 wrote: Which is a work ethic, not methodology.
Exactly. And I contend that we don't need methodologies, we need better work ethics.
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you need both. you need good methodologies that work for you and your team, and you need team members with a strong work ethic.
both, together, is what makes it work "great". most shops/teams never realize this type of nirvana.
my previous argument was that they are independent of each other on their own merit and definition. you have to combine them together, to make the magic work.
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Any company, or person, who has "we/I are/am passionate about <insert relevant item here>", is not. If they really were, then it would show in the quality of their products and they would not need to crow about it. It is almost as stupid as the recorded message you hear while waiting to connect to customer services, which repeatedly says, "your call is important to us".
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: "your call is important to us".
We care about our customers enough to put you on hold.....f-o-r-e-v-e-r. 
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It's mostly about quick and painless release cycles.
Have a bug? Fix and roll out, you'll be back in business in a couple of minutes (in theory, practice learns that bugs are piling up, business wants new features, and the work around is somewhat acceptable ).
What's more, you either write code that works and won't be touched for the next ten years or you're constantly writing on the same code base.
There doesn't really seem to be an in between.
In fact, businesses are changing so rapidly that I've read articles telling me to write code that can be thrown away and replaced because it'll probably be obsolete in a few months or even weeks anyway.
Add to that, that new languages, tools and (versions of) frameworks are released almost monthly.
If you started programming in 2015 you wouldn't even have a chance to really learn any language well because you've probably switched everything three times already.
To give but an example, in 2015 I was working with Knockout.js, which was replaced with Angular, after which came AngularJS (and don't forget TypeScript either!) which was to bloated so people started doing React and Vue.js instead (there have been some others as well, like Ember and Aurelia).
Heck, I just googled "front end frameworks" and out of the top five on some websites I only knew Bootstrap, back in 2017 (yes, only two years ago) I knew them all!
You may have switched from .NET to .NET Core, which isn't too big of a change, but in school you probably did Java. Oh, and now your boss wants Node.js too!
Perhaps you hopped on the mobile hype train so you're doing... PhoneGap Xamarin Ionic Kendo UI, heck what are kids using these days, Swift?
In database land everyone wants MySQL SQL Server PostgreSQL Redis MongoDB some multi-model DB that has them all, like Cosmos DB.
For DevOps, which is pretty hot, the choice is easy Jenkins Bamboo TeamCity GitLab... Myself, I stick to one tool only TFS VSO VSTS Azure DevOps!
Well, at least my package manager stayed the same... NuGet Bower npm Webpack Yarn NuGet again.
And don't forget everything has to be cloud nowadays, AWS or Azure, although businesses are starting to use Google Cloud as well (at least that choice is limited).
No kidding, I've seen, not used, and considered all of this (and MUCH more) at some point since 2015, a four year period!
Now here's the good news, companies can't hire specialists for each language, tool or framework, so you have to be "full stack" and know them all!
In practice that usually means you've got some experience using whatever back-end language, you've written Hello World in HTML/CSS and JavaScript, you know some from of SQL and you're going to figure out that cloud hosting on the job.
Just when I get familiar enough to deliver quality the full stack changes
And don't try to find a job that uses just the tools you know either, it's impossible!
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...and don't forget the new paradigms of running and deploying and managing your applications...Docker and Kubernetes!
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Marc wrote: Maybe I should create a Care-Bear[^] Methodology and write a "care meter" plugin for VS.
Please make Nuget package and publish the source code to CP, GitHub. 
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Marc Clifton wrote: We speak of passion for software development, but where is the passion for doing something well? I don't mean perfect, but the code I so often encounter just screams "I clearly don't give a sh*t."
I find more of a "I clearly have no damned clue" often being screamed by some outside code.
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Phantom of the Opera - Sierra Boggess & Ramin Karimloo (Classic BRIT Awards 2012) - YouTube[^]
I discovered I truly love opera (only if it is powerful though) and that my love for soprano voices was not confined to Traja Turunen.
This rendition of the main song is my favourite both for his voice, probably the best Phantom ever, and for hers. Those acutes make me melt - and probably my ears would melt too in close proximity.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Bloody awful. She's barely got control of her voice, and is just shouting, half the time. That comes from living underwater, I suppose.
This[^] is soprano, as perfect as it gets.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Oh no, you and I just posted the same song and I even called it my favorite!
Surely, the world is coming to an end? 
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The thing with me is that if I pay for music, code, or even a bloody toilet, it had damned well better be made by people who are well trained and highly competent at their jobs.
Very little in the entertainment field is made by people with any level of competence at all. If no-one would pay an incompetent coder or plumber, why the Hell are so many people so happy to pay incompetent "entertainers"?
The little mermaid, there, is not, by any stretch of the imagination, competent at her job.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mostly agreed... Sometimes creating something beautiful is not about being the best at it.
I generally don't like guitar "virtuoso's" like Yngwie Malmsteen or Steve Vai.
I'm not into Dream Theater, a band with some of the most skilled rock musicians around.
A friend of mine is into that stuff.
With music, and arts in general, you just have to like it, feel it, or you don't.
Most people don't like Mozart, but they do like Niki Minaj, even though they'd probably admit Mozart has quite a bit more skills.
People are paying for a feeling, not for skills, and that's highly subjective.
Just look at my SOTW's, how many did you actually like and how many did you consider skilled musicians, yet I loved them for one reason or another 
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Sort of followup to nand's sport question...
I've found myself NOT watching broadcast media (in particular free-to-air TV) at all, except for live sports (even then normally via stream.)
- don't watch any TV series "on TV" - rather watch on-demand (IF, when, where I want)
- don't watch any "reality shows" at all or ever - rather snort random baby projectile vomit
- don't watch any talk shows (Late Show, Jimmy Kibley, John Stevens, Clodburtt)
Not even news (who cares, 60% is useless, 10% sad news (i.e. a blind gay vegan dog got stuck up a tree)' and other 30% is tainted by broadcaster allegiance bullshhit - "Trump's gonna lose" - LOf*L)
yep, the only thing I'll watch via broadcast media is: live sports
(of course only sports I care about, tour de frogolia drugs, wimbledork, even the ollielimpdicks can suc...).
we have a TV, latest digital [free-to-air] receiver dingus... hasn't been switched once on in the last 3 months, probably longer. (even broadcast sport is better via stream)
in fact just remembered few months back the missus mentioned the TV was not working well, weird colors or summat.... phhht, who cares
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I watch sports on tv and that's it.
Otherwise YouTube my own programming for entertainment.
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Italian TV is trash, with a few exceptions. I watch it about once a year, me and my wife have a sort of ritual of zapping the whole Christmas night on those network that have usually half a dozen viewers.
All the rest is on demand, on blue ray or on streaming.
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I'm pretty much the same as you only ever watch it for sports.
However dad watches for news and mum for her dramas, both not comfortable with new tech.
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I tend to stream stuff, occasionally watch something live if I am in front of a TV at the time it's on so rarely.
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Excluding when I'm away from home and someone else's TV is on, never.
I pulled the plug on all things follyweird around a decade ago in all forms (broadcast, cable, optical disc and never bothered trying this new fangled streaming thing the kids on my lawn are going on about - it's still the same crap in a different package).
Nothing I've seen since then has made me regret doing so in the least.
Not giving an elephant about sportsball in any form definitely made doing so easier. 
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Quote: Not giving an elephant about sportsball in any form
I never have.  I don't see the point in it.
Reality TV is unreal - so I've heard; I never have watched it.
News TV is unreal - so I've heard; I only used to watch the BBC and no longer even that since the 80's.
I can't sit through sitcoms since they are not com at all.
I could go on but my favourite show isn't on TV anymore.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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I don't have a television and have't had one for over 11 years.
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