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CodeWraith wrote: preboots (prequels that completely change all established elements)
you mean like star trek? they change the past so the future* we've seen didn't happen, so they can re-do the films we already saw completely different: star trek III: the search for spock, oh wait, but maybe they never [did/will] launched him coz he didn't die that way, so the search may need to move somewhere else, Las Vegas? Tijuana? Prague! - very cinematic.
Yup 95% of the star trek you've ever watched is redundant as it can no longer [didn't will?] happen. They can re-do any movie and spin-off series they want and do it completely different, add major new twists: the Nimoy spock becomes immortal (because he's always the most important and favorite character in any release even when he's not there even after he passed), the borg queen might grow legs and by popular demand wesley will be exploded... ...for the first 2 there's CGI, for the last one there's dynamite.
* the future future we saw in the more distant past has changed because the past future we saw in the more recent past means the future future can not ever be the same future future as it was in the past future.
It's no wonder Stephen hawking enjoyed Trek, takes a genius to follow the time spaghetti.
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That would lead me directly to Jar Jar Abrams and what he did to both Star Trek and Star Wars. This man can only repackage old stuff, but always bigger and in another color and therefore muuuuch better. Therefore the Enterprise now is a brewery and twice as big as the old ones. X-Wings and Tie Fighters look and can do as much as before, but they have cool new color schemes. And yeah, our new Death Star is bigger than the old ones combined and, if that's at all possible, even easier to destroy. That guy is totally helpless when he is not given something to imitate. Like a monkey. He even manages to get well established characters all wrong and totally drops the ball when he must write new ones.
The 'best' preboot would of course be Discovery. They really love to change and retcon characters and events without need or giving any reason, but who cares? This is probably not an accident. I think it's their totally harebrained attempt to get the audience they would like to have and at the same time get rid of those pesky existing fans. Too bad that only one half of that trick works perfectly, but the masses of cool new viewers don't quite show up.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
modified 25-Sep-18 11:42am.
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The thing I like best is when they did the Holodeck version of the Enterprise (Kirk's) on the Next Generation when Scotty turned up. The 1960's Hi Technology looked really dated, Mind you there is nothing on Picards bridge that would make you go wow! today my phone/tablet does all that touch stuff...
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If you look a little closer, you will see that Next Gen's touch displays were designed very much to resemble the fixed controls of the old bridge. That includes the yellow/red/blue color scheme that mirrors the color of the uniforms.
We have all seen different user interface designs come and go. Why should that not happen again in the future? Touch screens are constantly messy and can be confusing. We need real buttons and displays that show precisely what you need to know again. It does not really explain everything away, but does enough to uphold the illusion.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Lopatir wrote: Yup 95% of the star trek you've ever watched is redundant as it can no longer [didn't will?] happen
This is where they completely lost me as a fan. I have every Trek movie and series box set, but that came to a screeching halt with the first reboot movie. I've passed on everything since, including Discovery, and I see nothing to bring me back.
I've still watched the trainwreck so far--but they're no longer getting my money for DVD/Blu-ray purchases, that's for sure.
Same goes with the endless comic book movie reboots. If I'm supposed to pretend the first incarnation(s) didn't take place, can I get my money back?
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I have to agree. I liked the old Treks, some were better than others, but I have no great interest in any of the new Treks. Lots of action, but not good story lines. More action is not a good substitute for good stories. 
Just because the code works, it doesn't mean that it is good code.
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The worse part is that they have little to do with the message Gene Roddenberry was trying to get across, yet they insist they're trying their damnedest to "carry the spirit" of what came before.
He must be rolling in his grave.
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Yes, no social messages/commentary, limited plot. Just action and more action with little logic to it all. IOW, like many other movies that JJ Abrams makes.
Just because the code works, it doesn't mean that it is good code.
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I keep making the claim that Star Trek ended with Nemesis in 2002, and didn't make it to its 50th anniversary. That franchise is long gone. It ended on a bad note, but that's only because it was long overdue to take a break anyway.
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Good points
Although I don't get the last Jedi and empire strikes back parallels.
Care to expand?
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Well the Force Awakens was a remake of the original Star Wars, Young isloated individual seeks out older more experienced warrior (Luke & Ben, Rey & Han) blows up planet killer football. Last Jedi, tries to do Empire, good guys in real trouble as bases are cut apart, main part of story in space & Jedi training, big battle of white (snow, salt) against walking things (Empire start, Last Jedi end).
Episode 9, return to stars home world to settle debt & big battle on Sand(why can I see Simon Peggs character getting it), trip to see Jedi masters home, blow up planet eating space football... 
Also Han shot first it provides a better arc of how his character goes from bad guy, to rebel, to nice guy...
modified 25-Sep-18 0:14am.
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I liked it too. It was better than I was expecting. Only thing that I thought might make it better was if they had dubbed Ford's voice over the other actor's.
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Yeah, but the possibility for sequels, the Falcon hasn't got it's nose yet, Chewies got circular widgets on Chewies bandoleer. What happens to Queen of Dragons...
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We're lucky that that Donald Glover was in the movie! (and Paul Bettany and Emilia Clark).
I did not found that Alden Ehrenreich portrayed Solo in a good manner.
I'd rather be phishing!
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Yeah Donald Glover was a good choice for Lando 'the early years' Ahh thank you I was trying to remember her name. I mean 'Mother of Dragons' was easier to workout rather than Thing Clarke who was in Game of Thrones!
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glennPattonWork wrote: . I mean 'Mother of Dragons' was easier to workout
LOL, I thought I forgot something about the Solo movie there.
I'd rather be phishing!
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Yeah expectations have been on the low side lately. Can't wait for Jar Jar Binks a star wars story.
They buy shoes, then they wear them! They make them sound old! Dairy! Dairy!
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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That could actually be the first real surprise[^]. 
Jar Jar Binks. Sith Lord.
It would really work, especially how easily this goofy character can be turned into a total creep.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Jar Jar Binks. Sith Lord. Interesting but no let us forget that! 
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Too late. Just watch this episode (Clonewars): Bombad Jedi | Wookieepedia[^]
Just look at that picture of him with the Jedi robe.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Jacquers wrote: i still have to watch it.
Who is making you do that? The Mafia? Did a judge sentence you to watch it?
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Did you put off watching initially for some reason, or just didn't feel like it? After The Last Jedi, I sort of completely lost interest in the franchise. I've never watched Solo, and never felt like watching. And I still don't. I used to think this indifference would fade with time, but it still hasn't. Wonder if I'll even feel like watching Episode 9 when it's out.
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I felt the same, It was a classic meet at the flat go out for a meal & drinks as it was a friends birthday. It was raining and not very inviting outside weather wise so time needed to wasted going through the Prime account of my flat mate we found Solo and watched it, retored my faith some what...like Rouge One but the end was not as obvious (the two stand alone movies I think have been better than the sequels)...
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