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I agree in principle with what you're saying. The trouble is Windows has so many holes where a virus / trojan / any sort of malware can enter. E.g. it's quite possible to get infected by simply viewing a web page or email, never mind clicking a link on one. I've always ended up with some sort of infection if I didn't install an AV, it sometimes lasted a year or two, but in the end you always end up with one of Win's holes letting something through (no matter how careful you are). With my Linux machines this is the exact opposite, none of them has any AV running, and none of them has ever been infected in the last 15 years.
As for living in Windows-land without any AV: Though it is quite possible to keep yourself virus-free without any AV running, it's not that easy in the normal world. You have to be extremely strict about what you open, what you view, what emails you even allow inside your inbox (from whom, what sort of attachments, check headers before opening, don't allow auto-open while browsing emails, etc.). And then also any sort of external data source (CD/DVD/BR, USB flash/hdd, network shares, etc.) needs to be "known" not to already contain any "infection" before you even think about them. These steps in themselves may actually cause much more time lost than the AV running in the background.
Where I do agree with you is that most AV's actually feel like Virusses in themselves: They tend to hog lots of RAM, CPU cycles, Disc access, etc. And for what? It's not as if they "produce" anything. It's also no guarantee that you won't be infected, just that most of the already known stuff has a good chance of being stopped before they get in, or if that fails to be removed once they're already festering. It gets to the point where the conspiracy theorist in me starts wondering if these AV companies aren't the actual creators of the viruses - i.e. building their client base by infecting computers.
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Really can't agree more: simply perfect!
I started wondering why there's no virus on Linux: I don't think is particularly better than Win, but rather because the Win world has a well-established market of software behind, while Linux does not.
If a virus were created by some "nerdy" hacker, I believe he'd create for Macs, Linuxes and phones as well: there's no limit to reach the celebrity.
Mine is a suggestion, not a obligation nor a provocation.
Is Office useful? Yes, it's, but I wouldn't purchase (or even install illegally) for writing a letter or calculating the monthly expenses. I believe you mean the point.
I really wondered how some people got my suggestion as a hurt or so...really can't believe my eyes!
Thanks for pointing out the context way better than I could do.
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On a related note, since you are actively seeking for ptotection of your PC, just a few days ago I read an article on adware/malware removers, and they recommend the free version of MalwareBytes[^] as the best tool for the job. Interestingly, they suggested not to purchase the paid upgrade, because it also contains an AV tool, which would interfere with an already present AV. (Obviously, if you'd like to try the Malwarebytes AV, then of course you can purchase it).
As for AV, I've tried various free ones in the past (Avira, AVG, Avast), and didn't see any great difference apart from the degree of nagging to purchase the non-free upgrade. I've read plenty of articles telling Norton is bad nowadays, and McAfee has degenerated to something closer to Malware than the useful tool it claims to be. Kaspersky has a great reputation, but our company uses it and I strongly suspect it to be the main culprit responsible for our extremely slow boot times and horrible build performance. Unfortunately IT set it up in a way that we have no way to prove that it is indeed causing these issues (it doesn't show up on meters), and when asked about it they just shrug it off That said, if it really is causing our issues, I suspect it is just a matter of setting it up sensibly.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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Thanks a lot for such a great explanation. I have already ordered Kaspereskey today morning
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So much complexity in software comes from trying to make one thing do two things.
Kindest Regards
Sibeesh
http://sibeeshpassion.com/
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I've been using Kaspersky for a number of years after previously using ESET, Norton etc.
I haven't had any problems but be aware that, compared to others I've used, it is a resource hog. Depending on what spec of machine you're using, this may or may not be an issue.
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Finally I have ordered Kaspereskey today morning. Thanks a lot for all of your suggestion.
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So much complexity in software comes from trying to make one thing do two things.
Kindest Regards
Sibeesh
http://sibeeshpassion.com/
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It should be Avira.
Look here, the results explain why.
Avira has almost no impact on the performance of your system, I am using it for years.
http://www.av-comparatives.org/[^]
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Thanks a lot for the info. But I have already ordered Kaspereskey
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So much complexity in software comes from trying to make one thing do two things.
Kindest Regards
Sibeesh
http://sibeeshpassion.com/
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Maybe a wrong choice.
It is good at detection, but people around me told me that it has perf impact on the system.
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Hmm, Since I have already ordered, I will try kaspereskey, and if that is not good, I will try that
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So much complexity in software comes from trying to make one thing do two things.
Kindest Regards
Sibeesh
http://sibeeshpassion.com/
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Logical
you wil tell us.
FYi, Avira take less than 60Mb in memory, and I never fill like the antivirus blocks my usage so that it checks files before I used them.
Look & feel is far from perfect, but it good at what it is. anti virus.
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I wouldn't use MSE as suggested by others. There are many reports that point it as lacking and insecure (example[^]).
I personally use BitDefender free edition as it is light weight and doesn't get in my way, but as others point out, Kaspersky is also a good choice.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson
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Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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Thank you...
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So much complexity in software comes from trying to make one thing do two things.
Kindest Regards
Sibeesh
http://sibeeshpassion.com/
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I've used Norton for many years, it does find stuff when I make a run and get's rid of them.
But how does Norton compare to the others out there? Is there any documented data out on the net?
The Irishman
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Effectiveness of the major anti-virus programs is pretty much even. Norton, is however, considered the most prone to diminish overall computer performance and make a mess of your carefully crafted settings. But, if, in your case, it's not broke then you can get away with not fixing it!
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I believe that you can renew your free !avast license. It just takes some digging around in their UI. I just did the renewal myself.
Gus Gustafson
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Stick with free Avast or buy NOD32, they are good.
Stay away from Symantec/Norton, it's a waste of money, it makes my Core i5 machine at work run slower than my 6 years old laptop.
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Thank you for the reply. I have already ordered Kaspereskey
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So much complexity in software comes from trying to make one thing do two things.
Kindest Regards
Sibeesh
http://sibeeshpassion.com/
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Emsisoft.com and Malwarebytes.com (latter is a better price)
Both have great detection rates and a level of independence which is important. Emsisoft also make a pretty good firewall
Michael m6.net
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Thank you for the info.
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So much complexity in software comes from trying to make one thing do two things.
Kindest Regards
Sibeesh
http://sibeeshpassion.com/
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Thanks a lot for your reply. Since I ordered Kaspereskey, I am going to use it for a while. If that is not good, I will check with your option
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So much complexity in software comes from trying to make one thing do two things.
Kindest Regards
Sibeesh
http://sibeeshpassion.com/
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I'm curious; why doesn't anyone mention Comodo[^]?
"The primary trait of a good programmer is laziness. Nobody works harder to do nothing than a good programmer." - MehGerbil
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Thanks for the link. Seems like a good one. Thank you.
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So much complexity in software comes from trying to make one thing do two things.
Kindest Regards
Sibeesh
http://sibeeshpassion.com/
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