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I'd like to think of a really "Smart" reply to that post Marc, but unfortunately I feel to "Dumb" at the moment
Shawty
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In the spirit of "quis custodiet ipsos custodies"[^], there must ultimately be an expert source of the knowledge implemented by the software system, implemented by a 'not dumbed-down' programmer. Of course, in a post-Singularity world, that expert and that programmer might be facets of a machine intelligence.
I've been a developer for over 30 years. Given the rate of change in our field, that gives me a perspective that borders on the archaeological. Regardless of the level of automation provided to our users, and to us in our tools, I still believe there is a fundamental competence required to create a quality product. The biggest thing that has changed in that time is the scale at which those products are used. Our applications are flotsam on the surface of an ocean whose depth is ever-increasing.
Hmm. For some reason, the following line from Star Trek: The Next Generation, episode "Q Who?", comes to mind:
"It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross."
I still enjoy working here, despite any 'dumbing down'.
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Oh my, what eloquence you have wrought in this response, what subtle shades of meaning's shadow move within ! Seriously, it's a pleasure to read writing like this.Gary R. Wheeler wrote: The biggest thing that has changed in that time is the scale at which those products are used. Our applications are flotsam on the surface of an ocean whose depth is ever-increasing.
I also think that another "scale" has changed: time; the "rate of change." For hardware, to some extent "Moore's Law," and, imho, for software, some kind of strange-attractor whose size, and memory consumption, doubles every generation, but whose performance remains about the same ?
I have some personal, literary, resonance with "flotsam" that I won't describe here, but I like the fact that the term, in maritime law, refers to debris of a shipwreck floating at sea. Could the "wreck" here be that of collective intelligence and attention-span ? I dunno.
I share with you, I think, the view-tempered-by-age that there are some constant features of "intelligence" and practical ability (competence) which are anchored in the slowly evolving consistency of our primate hardware, and wetware. And, I do not think there is some mythical past that is the "Golden Age" now forever lost, corrupted.
And, I think I also share with you the feeling/attitude that this is a great time to be alive, and to be ever-curious, ever-humble intellectually, and always busy learning for the sheer pleasure in it.
«If you search in Google for 'no-one ever got fired for buying IBM:' the top-hit is the Wikipedia article on 'Fear, uncertainty and doubt'» What does that tell you about sanity in these times?
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Thanks, Bill; I've had many of your sterling examples as a guide .
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Quote: "It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross."
The best Star Trek quote ever? Could be.
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I think the character 'Q' and John de Lancie were my favorite parts of ST:NG.
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Automation can yield an illusion of correctness that promotes dumbness.
I write analytical software. Analysts want software that "does more" so they can do less but do it more often and make more money. The problem is that a substantially useful program promotes operation within its framework and a loss of knowledge of underlying techniques over time. Pressed for a solution, the round peg is jammed in the square hole to get "the answer". The analyst, distanced from the ability to apply first principles of modeling, is reduced to a glorified button pusher. The software is applying their science for them. Ya don't use it, ya lose it. Seen it happen.
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From his website:
"He holds a B.A. from Dartmouth College and an M.A., in English and American Literature and Language, from Harvard University"
He has no scientific training so you should take any commentary he provides on scientific research as just that: the opinions of someone who is unskilled 
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Carr: Has had a novel which was a Pulitzer Prize finalist and:
"His essays ... have been collected in several anthologies, including The Best American Science and Nature Writing, The Best Spiritual Writing, and The Best Technology Writing.
... is a former member of the Encyclopedia Britannica’s editorial board of advisors, was on the steering board of the World Economic Forum’s cloud computing project, and was a writer-in-residence at the University of California at Berkeley’s journalism school." Those factoids of his work do not necessarily make me agree with everything he says, or mean I accept the premises of his article I cited.
However, they do indicate to me his thought is not insubstantial, frivolous, narcissistically self-aggrandizing, etc. And, the issues he raises I find interesting to think about.
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The fact is that airline pilots are less “skilled” today due to flight control systems.
When there is a problem, even when it would be obvious to someone less skilled, pilots will question themselves until it is too late; depending instead on the flight system to “save” them instead of using their own senses and common sense.
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Google Translate produced this (from para. 9 of http://habrahabr.ru/post/166377/ (don't ask!))
Tower of Mordor - it is certainly beautiful, but how to decipher?
originally:
Башня из Мордора — это, конечно, красиво, но как это расшифровать?
It made me chuckle. Is "Tower of Mordor" a good translation? Is this a term [now] in common (geek) use - or are Google having a laugh?
"...there's what people want to hear, there's what people want to believe, there's everything else, THEN there's the truth!" - New York D.A., The International
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Without knowing what a native Russian would read it as, a quick google for "Башня из Мордора" came back with all links to Russian Lord of The Rings images, movies, and such - so I'm guessing that "Tower of Mordor" or similar is a literal and accurate translation: Google[^]
[edit]Typos[/edit]
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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You should retitle that "Totally lost in translation".
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Translation is legit, so is google translate (most of the times).
source -> i know russian
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thanks it help me lot. please suggest me- how to run this application in multiple systems...?
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At the top of this page, it clearly says: "if you need specific help please use the programming forums."
So read it in future, and post in the right place.
Normally, that would be here: http://www.codeproject.com/Questions/ask.aspx[^] but in this case, it looks like you are trying to reply to a specific answer, comment, or article - and you need to do that where the information you are trying to reply to is located. There are 11 million users here, all posting furiously and if you don't use the appropriate "message" or "reply" system then the one person you need to talk to doesn't get notified - so they won't respond to you unless you are really, really lucky and they happen to spot it and realize it's for them!
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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OriginalGriff wrote: There are 11 million users here, all posting furiously
Furious posting, never post when your furious, you'll regret it. For proof look at the quality of the posts in QA.
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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Member 11074795 wrote: how to run this application in multiple systems
Just because today is the 133rd. anniversary of the first man, Emilio Onra, to be shot out of a cannon (and live):
... I will be sharing to you the necessary for the great secret for getting bloody multiple of chat masala running.
This bloody holy secret mantra taught by very great Sadhu while sitting near the waterfall of Shivasamudra, watching the full-moon, eating take-out dosas of quality not writing home of.
Ha ! You guess "supersize me:" wrong ! It is: "andher nagree chauput raja."
But, don't give blame of me to chat masalas running too bloody fast, or backwards !
«If you search in Google for 'no-one ever got fired for buying IBM:' the top-hit is the Wikipedia article on 'Fear, uncertainty and doubt'» What does that tell you about sanity in these times?
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Whatever it is you are smoking today Bill...probably wouldn't make it through Customs... 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Are we at Airport? This is CP guys! Everything is allowed in Lounge, unless or untill "wouldn't want your kid sister to" do the same! 
Would that be plagiarized?
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
~! Firewall !~
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Perhaps you can explain to OriginalGriff (my esteemed colleague, mentor, and friend) the true meaning of "andher nagree chauput raja" ?  I am certain I don't fully understand it, and perhaps us "western barbarian" children of caves and deserts, of Homer, Hesiod, Pythagoras, Aristotle, and Plato, Augustine, Dante, Cervantes, Shakespeare, Goethe, Newton, Leibniz, etc., can never understand it ?
I do have to admit that posting this I worried that someone from India or the sub-continent might be offended ... someone who doesn't know I lived in India for a year (1975), when I was just thirty, perhaps the greatest year of my little life in terms of learning something about myself (and so little about the infinite depths of Mother India) ... on a graduate fellowship in the social sciences, and doesn't know I am a great appreciator (but, not a "groupie") of both India's ancient cultural heritage (no, I'm not a wild-eyed "spiritual seeker"), and the remarkable technical achievements of so many brilliant Indian men and women in the last forty years on the "world stage."
To "Mother India" all I can say forty years later is: I drank a little of the amritsar from your fountain of paradoxes, and still do not understand why the taste lingers on, hinting at a miraculous-in-ordinary it is beyond my power to grasp, and that demands: surrender. Or was that garam chai I drank, and the fever and dysentery that altered my mental state ?
«If you search in Google for 'no-one ever got fired for buying IBM:' the top-hit is the Wikipedia article on 'Fear, uncertainty and doubt'» What does that tell you about sanity in these times?
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First of all with all due respect, and no pun intended, you're also an old guy? Every guy I become a fan of and get as my mentor is 50+, are you people old or am I in programming field too early? 
Secondly, I am also a sub-continental and not an Indian, but I do have some relatives and friends living in India that is why I know about India a lot and I have been to India last year in december, quite a good time it was there. However, when I came back on 2nd january, I started to learn the Hindi transcript and writing and after 5 days I started learning Assembly; because Assembly was wayyy more easy language than Hindi, pun intended  . Somehow, I will try to explain these words and "andher means nightly, nagree means a small town, chaupat means null (I don't know this one) and raja means king". Surely you can understand these words, even the Hulk from Avengers when he lived in Calcutta was able to speak Hindi; you can see the movie. He spoke a few words in Hindi, although he crammed them.
No one would ever jump on you, specially from India or sub-continent, Internationally a Pakistani is more like an Indian. Yeah, that "someone" can be me, because I didn't know you lived here in India and you were this elder than me. Yeah Indian people are talented; I'm not saying I am because I believe I am just a beginner at this stage it will take atleast 30 years age to be an intermediate. But there are many others, who're making a remarkable impact on the society.
Ummm, was there any pun in "amritsar", because there is no other term even near amritsar and well, that is just a Hindu belief for drinking the waters of holy rivers or taking a shower in it and all that... I don't believe in all these, there is only one God and he don't want us to drink the same water in which we took a bath and cleanse ourself. I will now be angry, don't say anything to "chai"; tea for OriginalGriff, I drink 4 mugs of it in a day and it keeps me running throughout the day and night. So, don't be hard on it.
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
~! Firewall !~
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"Andher nagree chauput raja" is a wonderful Indian parable that some have interpreted to have the sense of referring to the irrationality and random injustice of the world, of "topsy-turvy" ... the world turned upside-down, what is moral/honest/pure inverted ... as well as a sense, perhaps, conveyed in the term "mondo cane," a world "gone to the dogs." The story as told to me involves a party of travelers who come to a land where they go to the market and find that a small amount of grain has the same price as a large amount. They are arrested for theft, and one of them is hanged, while a real thief goes free. The King is killed and the man who kills him is made King. I am sure there are other dimensions of this parable I have never understood.
Amrit in the Sikh faith is, indeed, a holy water used to initiate members into the Khalsa , but Amrit, as found in Hinduisim in the Rig Veda, is the drink of the Gods, and can also mean a state of "immortality" that comes with drinking the Soma, the nectar of enlightenment. In Kundalini Yoga, amrit has another meaning: a supposed secretion of an "organ of the subtle body," during certain meditations. And it goes on ... and on ... into Tibetan Medicine and Tibetan Vajrayana Buddhism, etc.
Yes, this bag of bones and meat-package I'm in is old, relative to you, but if you want me to be a mentor, you are going to have shape-up, because I can see you have great potential 
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hehe yeah I asked my parents about this "andher nagree chaupat raja" and she said, its "raaj" in the phrase, raaj means the government. You're description fullfills the description and explaination By which it means such a government, where there is no such thing as "law and justice" so you're examples work here.
yeah, these people here are a lot of superstitious, they still believe in that "black cat passes infront of you" thing. That is why, once a pundit or mullah says something it is like an apocalypse for them, something big just got revealed and all that things, whereas mostly it is found and shown to the public that these religious scholars the only reason for chaos, we (sub-continental people) believe that religion is the only way of peace and still we're fighting for religion only and as Mark Twain says in his book about humans and the animals, we could die saving our beloved neighbour if he is threatened, but we would cut his throat if his theology doesn't make sense or isn't the same for us. This discussion can continue, and trust me there is no way these people can believe in any thing, its hard to stop an Indian from what he thinks and makes his mind upto; even me... as an Indian.
I would love to have you as a mentor for myself, infact everyone who is elder than me is a mentor for me, they're seen life and world more than me and I get to know much from everyone. I will try my best to keep it up to you,
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
~! Firewall !~
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